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#52410
Return to the Son of the Sequel to More Lava! 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Since it came up in another thread...

HellScape being a limited edition line, there may be some concern that producing accessory sets might not sync up quite right among a large number of new buyers, or that the accessory sets might only work in conjunction with the basic sets.

My counter is that as long a an accessory set (or two) can stand alone as well as with other sets in the same line, the accessory set will appeal to any buyer.

To that end, I present my notion of a workable Lava River & Lake Set. The key to the concept is that instead of creating rivers and lake shores separately, they are integrated into shoreline pieces that define both.

In the first image we have each unique piece for the line.



A - Inside Bend with Wall
A turn in the chamber and the lava bed.

B - Lava Flow with Wall
This piece would have lava flowing down the wall and into the lava bed. A second, freestanding wall that fit snugly inside the fixed wall would cover the vertical flow, and could be sculpted to look like the lava bed disappears into a crack at the base of the wall.

C - Straight Lava Bank with Wall
A more or less straight bank and wall. Variants might bulge inward or outward.

D - Outside Bend
This is equivalent to a piece from the Cavernous Lake Expansion, and is absolutely essential.

E - Straight Lava Bank
A more or less straight bank, variants similar to C.

F - Inside Bend
The open floor version of A.

G - Open Lava
Nothing but lava.

H - Lava Whirlpool
Not essential, but it does give you a possible outflow for the end of a lava river.

I - Lava Spring
Also not essential, an accessory piece where lava is surging from underneath, another source of a lava river.

With enough A-E, you should be able to make a complete chamber with an opening to link it to other sets. D-F allow you to put a lava river or lake in an HS chamber made from the first two HS sets. G lets you make lakes, and H-I are nice add-ons. One or two Lava River & Lake Sets would allow for a narrow, winding chamber with lava flowing through the center, while more sets would allow for a larger chamber with a wide lava lake, possibly with islands.

(Another accessory might be flat stones for characters to try to cross over.)

The second image shows a few permutations of the pieces, and how they might fit together.



The number of unique pieces is nearly the same as the original Cavern Set. The shoreline/bank approach allows for rivers with variable width. And the pieces with walls allow this set (or two) to stand alone, meaning you don't have to have other HS sets to make it work.

Thoughts?
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#52413
Re:Return to the Son of the Sequel to More Lava! 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I agree that it seems like a good solution for a HS expansion that wouldn't require previous investment in the HS line -- provided it has some freestanding walls, and an appropriate number of the various pieces (but I think already assumed that)

I also kinda like the idea someone mentioned, I think during the KS of river type pieces with removable pho-liquid inserts so you can swap water for lava for ice, etc -- would be fun to have a lava flow and river stream meet and use a dry ice or other smoke effect to mimic steam. Though that affect might be better with regular cavern style rivers than HS rivers.
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#52414
Re:Return to the Son of the Sequel to More Lava! 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Jackattack, great work! I think I would need more time to have a meaningful opinion upon your design/idea. In the meantime, for the sake of thoughts and discussions, a Lava river and/or lake set made me think about a wonderful old thread from "lecartomancien": www.dwarvenforge.com/forum?func=view&catid=3&id=37825
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#52415
Re:Return to the Son of the Sequel to More Lava! 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
We differ in opinion on inserts. I maintain (since nearly my first post on these forums) that pieces with sculpted edges (similar to the Chasms Set) are a better approach to defining the borders of channels and gaps in the floor of a set-up. More versatility in what goes in them (under the pieces) up to and including light boxes and flat screen video displays, and no need to buy tiles (inserts or no) to represent wide expanses of open space, water, lava, or whatever.

The only reason I didn't use the "negative space" approach here is that sculpted/painted lava flows at floor level are already firmly established in the HellScape aesthetic, but I sincerely believe that it is the best, simplest, cheapest solution for potential future Dwarvenite sets.
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#52416
Re:Return to the Son of the Sequel to More Lava! 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I'll probably agree with you on that, once I get my hands on some of those sets :)
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#52417
Re:Return to the Son of the Sequel to More Lava! 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Oh, forgot to say, if Open Lava (G) and Lava Whirlpool (H) were sold in lots of 6 or 12 (5 open to 1 whirlpool), they could be used with any line to create square/rectangular lava pools, or canals, with smooth edges.
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#52418
Re:Return to the Son of the Sequel to More Lava! 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Jackattack, I'm glad to hear you support what you call the "negative approach". I do too! I don't own Hellscape pieces (yet?) but it seems to me that the lava is painted to flow down on the side of pieces, which could pretty much make the Hellscape Sets compatible with standing on printed lava textures. Of course, you would need a Hellscape chasm Set to give curves to lava rivers and lakes and I guess you are right that making such a Set would have less appeal as a limited Set. Therefore, your concept of combining rivers, lakes and walls in 1 Set makes sense.

Nevertheless, I would prefer to have the classical line of Cavern Chasm Set to be expanded to include new pieces such as those lecartomancien made before another limited Set is produced:

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#52419
Re:Return to the Son of the Sequel to More Lava! 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
As a test run with one of my ongoing projects expanding the number of textures I have available, here's my attempt at copying lecartomancien's approach without the lighting effect nor the custom chasm pieces:



On a side note, when I think of a river of lava, I think about the beautiful documentaries by National Geographic of overflowing volcanoes filmed on Hawaiian islands. It goes without saying that there aren't dozens of tiny lava rivers flowing all around the main lava stream, such as you could expect with the HellScape Set. Those 2 environments (natural & hellish) are very different and I think I would again prefer the natural one be done first.
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#52420
Re:Return to the Son of the Sequel to More Lava! 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Yes, yes, yes! And if you want a different environment, you just put down another printed texture, or a piece of cloth, or a battle mat, or whatever.

I know what you mean about lava flows, but the HellScape environment is actually trying to emulate the inside of a volcano, possibly the (crusted over?) floor of a caldera. Lava also comes in many levels of viscosity, from thick slow oozes to quick watery rivulets.





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#52421
Re:Return to the Son of the Sequel to More Lava! 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Side question: Is the lecartomancien parts available or were they just something he created them just for himself?

I have to say I love the idea he had either way.
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#52422
Re:Return to the Son of the Sequel to More Lava! 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
As far as I know, the additional chasm bits were a private project that was not available for sale. They may have been proof-of-concept for suggested future DF pieces.
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#52423
Re:Return to the Son of the Sequel to More Lava! 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Dafrca, I already posted a link to lecartomancien's blog where he described his home-made custom pieces (for his own personal use and fun; not for sale), but I just realized now that it's in french (I'm bilingual). I guess you could use Google translate?

Jackattack, your lava images are beautiful and it's a shame that the Hellscape Set does not look that way. But then, there are limitations to what you can get from dry brushing without sources of light underneath. I wonder what results could be obtained from repainting the Hellscape Set with darker colors including a black dry brushing at the end? On another topic, what does "Return to the Son of the Sequel to More Lava!" refer to?
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