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#12547
Inside the Hive 8 Years ago  
jackattack,

I'm liking that idea even more, although it seems we might be in a minority on this one.

That being said, does anyone know of any honeycomb terrain/accessory (of a suitable scale for use with DF) that is presumably molded in resin or plastic? I'd really like to create such a piece (3-4 of them actually) as mentioned above but do not have the sculpting talent to create honeycomb formations from scratch.

Any suggestions?

Thanks
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#12548
Inside the Hive 8 Years ago  
No i like the idea, for some time now (even back in the days of Yukons create your own set) i have liked the idea of a "living location: the hive works well for it, and is an idea i was messing around when when i tired making my own living set... (i have cast almost enough that would make a set put out by DF, but gosh it takes a long time if i ever get anymore RTV Sirubber, i might make some more molds to spead up the casting). And toyed with the idea of using a Hive look but in the end abandonded the idea becuase it looked like for what i wanted it would be a @%*!*#$@ pain to cast. While a simplier idea, yeah might be to just buy the hex grid for lighting tiles from Home Depot, and mount it on something...
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#12549
Inside the Hive 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
Thanks GS, for the sage advise and insight on the subject.

I admittedly had taken to liking the hive/colony idea so much that I did end up overlooking the difficulties in casting such a piece in resin.

And secondly, your suggestion to use lighting tiles will be perfect! I'll be off to the depot on the weekend, hoping to find one in a hex pattern.

Thanks again, it's appreciated.
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#12550
Inside the Hive 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
It was Jackattack who mentioned it first way back, or at least that is what i thought of when i read
"Some hardware and/or craft places sell plastic honeycomb sheets -- judicious cutting and painting might allow you to make walls suggestive of the interior of a giant-scale hive." I thought of those sheets that are back by the appliances to put in ceiling panels for Lights, or on your stove etc, we have dimaonds here are work not honeycombs ;).

You could do it in either Resin or Plaster (been experimenting with Hirst Arts as of late) and and it would be easier if you used there method if you wanted to make a mold and cast something, have the comb be the lowest part in the flat mold, then the "wall" it's mounted on, just slap two of those together to get it on both sides. I think that would be the sturdiest way to make it castable, but then it becomes very thick for a wall (most likely a full 1/2 inch as compaired to DF's 1/4), you could go with just the 1/4 and back the walls to each other or something else and it could work well (what i am plainingg on doing for the next round of casts i make in the HA sci-fi range), otherwise it eats up so much space on the floor.

But i'm guessing here on the thickness of the hex pattern, i seem to remember seeming some at Home Depot or Lowes but can't be sure, i looked at them for a oddly a differnent project of home made 3D terrain for a my SW game, i didn't end up getting them (or eventually anything) becuase i was looking for a look that was something else at the time i didn't like the hive, i was looking in that area for other sheets to make walls out of just kind of generic walls, DF Sci-Fi came out a year later and, while i was going through the whole process i heard about the new DF line and it solved my problem, i ended up just waiting and bought the DF :) so i dropped it, i revisted it briefly when i thought of the "living locations" idea for YK's make your own set.

There would be way to many undercuts in the hive to do the wall as a standing up piece and give detail or depth on both sides, i think it would just be really hard to do and have a nice cast in my limited experince with making RTV molds. the only way I can think of would either be to do it and have it lying down, or make a multi part mold, which is somethign i have had very micked resutls with.

So for my first stuff i went with like the Hirst Arts mold (parlty becuase you can use less RTV to make the mold, and the RTV i was using at the time) and had it flat. But then you have a blank side to one wall, which is the way i have been running my "living location" but it don't really like the look of it with the blanks wall on the back, yeah i can double back them (put them back to back), but then i need twice as many walls and floors as i have now and what about the extra floors hanging off the other side now. Before i finish the living locations project i am going to have to bite the bullet buy some more RTVSi, and the good stuff and make some stand up walls (the masters i made were designed to kind of be cast that way and had some detail on the back, but the restrictions of materials and experince at the time made me not go that way...

But i have a bit more experpince casting, molding and even designing now than i did after messing around with this stuff for about a year and a half and making those ice molds, i learned a lot designing and building those than i did the first one which is the set i really want to do. i didn't learn much new with the sculpting i did learn a lot in what works better for how to design a peice to get what you want in the final production and ways to work it better.

I might see if i can get a small section of Honey comb (not a big 2x4 foot section, maybe a tiny little like 6x12 inch one for a stove light cover), or see if i have anything here at work, (we have some Really wonky bits) and try making a laydown mold that would be an added detial piece to go on a normal wall.

That might work, it might be a bit fragial (if done in plaster) but since it isn't designed to need to support anything or be a wall in it's own right, but be stuck on something else, it might work better, and it might look better.

The idea jackattack had with "Curved Cavern Corner" is where i am deriving this from, and the recent ice stuff. Making a new free standing bit that gets stuck to the wall, or in the corner of a Fantay, Sci-Fi, or DoE set, where you make a hive, that has grown off of the wall. You might be able to do that with just the stuff around now, and make it be actually like a real wasps nest, something growing off of the original wall or corner (just like the pop up under or decks, or inbetween doors etc). make it an accesory/add on piece and not a full wall. If it were made as resin or plaster (resin might be easier to cast with less bubbles and be less likely to break and closer to the color you want easier), and there was intential, extra like spill over it could be the way the insects stuck the combs to the wall...

I like this thread it has me re thinking the LL and giving me some ideas to spice it up and add detail...

May have to do some sculpting this weekend..., and casting...
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#12551
Inside the Hive 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
I'm wondering if some cutting and sanding would allow you to convert the sheet itself to small sections you could place within a DF layout, against (or in place of?) a DF wall.

You might use sculpy along the bottom edge to expand the base for stability, although joing two pieces at an angle (use a mitre saw?) should solve that problem as well.

Airbrush the pieces a sort of orangey-yellow, and experiment with dribbling clear-orange resin over it to simulate honey. Add accents according to personal taste.

(Ooh, here's a thought -- if you are making a static layout instead of modular, you could pour the same clear-orange resin on/as the floor and tell the party that they can only move at 1/3 speed because they are wading through honey. And if they use torches or fire-spells, they could find themselves up to their knees in melted -- but rapidly cooling -- wax!)

If someone (GS) comes up with a result they like, I'd love to see a pic over in the Cool Pix section. If you play around with it and you don't like how it comes out, let us know what didn't work and why -- someone might have a solution, and even if there isn't one we'll all be a little smarter for your efforts.
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#12552
Inside the Hive 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
Yeah i think i'm going to try this weekend, the idea of making it into sections is what i had in mind, if i can only find a big sheet i likely own't make a mold, but i am very limited in some respects becuase I live in an apartment and don't have a saw or many tools for that mater. So i'm working with the mind set of doing as much as i can with little to no tools...
got to go to home depot anyway, so will check it out,
but untill i can get a hold of a piece it is pure speculation some what on size and such, i seem to remember then having them but can't find then on the HD webapge to get a look, but then they don't list everything on the website...
i might have to make a trip up to Mass to get the RTV i want, last time i was in my usually supplier they didn't have the RTV i liked they had the other kind, there is another supplier about the same distance away but up in Mass and it is the only thing in that area, i can go to Home Depot and the FLGS in the same trip...

i might meke some scetchess to night and see if i can scan them in on friday.
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#12553
Inside the Hive 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
Well i hit Home Depot, they didn't have any of them, and i now know what they are called, Louvers, and doing a search i found a couple in the honecomby, or hex patern but didn't see in at Home depot.
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#12554
Inside the Hive 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
GS,

Thanks for the description (name) of the item, that should help me a great deal.

If successful in my search, I'll post any information I find out.
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#12555
Inside the Hive 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
From a web search there seem to be lots of these honeycomb louvers out there for use as difusers for lights in photography, but they are pricey, i saw some for ~$5 a pop in a 2 in diamater, on one site, they could work as a floor item, but then lots of extra space on the edges since they are round...

When i was at Home Depot i picked up what i went for and more of the cheap "green stuff" and so I may try to make one by hand... got to go look at pictures of honey combs in the off minutes of work today :)
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#12556
Inside the Hive 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
ehhehe, i think i found a Much easier way to make some honeycombs, it is So freaking easy!... the test i just did that was very quick and dirty looks like it will work really well. Will make a better real one, an post info on it over the weekend.
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#12557
Inside the Hive 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
GS,

I can't wait to see the results!

I have absolutely no idea how this could possibly have been achieved as easily as you say.

This I've gotta see.


Thanks again.
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#12558
Inside the Hive 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
Well here is the quick and dirty version, in the end making a honeycomb was far easier than i thought.

I was sitting at work yesterday while some DNA from and experiment was percipitating. and had about a 1/2 to kill, so i nipped onto google to do an image search for "plastic honeycomb" found a number of places that make them of paper embeded with resins etc, but couldn't find a price for them. So i was sitting there trying to figure out how to make some myself, i was twiddling with a mechanical pencil and realized it was a six sided a perfect hex, and was trying to figure a way how to make a copy of it, some way, maybe wrap some green stuff around it, but the problem was how do i make it paper thin... and that is when it hit me.

Card stock it is paper thin, and there are a number of hex colloumns in some of the model sets, (but most looked to big to make a nice patern on the a DF peice, since they are designed to be almost as large as a wall for a mini) but the geometry of the fold is very basic and easy, espically since it won't need to be closed. So i was messing around with some ideas on how to do it, and when i was making some notes for my next game there was a not card with gridded lines... perfect for the height and width, just score, cut fold glue... and you have individual hex cells. just have to glue them together in a patern that works for the size of the DF pieces.

once in a nice framework, will seal them, and make a flatcast of them and can make more and more and more and just glue as needed onto various things.


For the real version will be much more carefully cut and score it, this was just a quick and dirty one to see how it would work out.
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