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#56742
Re:Listed Game Tiles price seems high? 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
jimibones83 wrote:
jericho wrote:
jimibones83 wrote:
In DF's defense though I wanna add something I didn't think of before. The claim was "the main reason behind this KS..." meaning that statement only applied to KS backers


Surely not. I took that to mean that the point of the KS was to develop a new line that was more affordable to future customers - not, that it was only temporarily going to be affordable to KS backers. If I am wrong about that I wish there was more transparency.

Good to hear about bulk discounts though. I am excited to see what they will be.

EDIT: After all KS is a means to fund something new. If that new thing is at the same price point to a superior product that is already available - what was the point?
I see no other logical explanation. I took it that way too and that's why I was upset. Obviously they didn't mean it that way though because that value is not available to us as it was KS backers with all theit bonus items. Yur right, there should have been more transparency. As for the discount on multiples, I believe they will be the same price as KS so you can check out that page. They have prices for 1,2,3,5, and 10 sets I believe


Well if that ends up being the case I will apologize to DF with my purchase of 5 sets :) and a heavy backing of their next KS (now that I have a job).
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#56744
Re:Listed Game Tiles price seems high? 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
I would like to correct a point that keeps coming up over and over....

The #1 Reason that the MM Product hasn't sold consistently well is that there is rarely an inventory of product on the web site and you have to fight to get it on Ebay. (Really turns buyers off as it is a impulse buy in most occasions).

I resisted buying any DF Products for this very reason for around 10 years, when discussing this with many game friends and convention-airs found that was a common opinion and not just my own.

When I had an opportunity to buy a collection from a local guy that just wanted out (8 sets) for $200 I started buying additional sets on Ebay. As everything I wanted to purchase from DF was out of Stock every time I had extra money to buy Ebay was the only option.

I don't know how many times I wanted to buy several sets only to find that the base set was not in stock but the accessories sets were.

In the last year I have added around 15 more sets of resin and soon to be delivered 14 set of the KS product. But DF has missed out on probably 20 more sets of resin I would have purchased when I have Bonus Money to Waste.

If during the KickStarter the web site had been fully stocked it is my opinion the DF would have sold at the least another million in product as impulse buyers would have nearly dehydrated from the loss of saliva.

Again.... Stefan has put a huge lot of work into the resin line and its a beautiful product....RESTOCK EVERYTHING. And dont waste effort on limited edition sets that tie your hands on sales if they go popular in sales. Limited products should be limited to small sets or single items.

OK ....its off my chest..... Breath....

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#56747
Re:Listed Game Tiles price seems high? 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
They should have worded it differently. Something like "with a sizable investment GT sets can potentially cost as little as half of what the MM sets currently cost for KS backers"
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#56748
Re:Listed Game Tiles price seems high? 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
maximillian wrote:
Like any product with a high "fixed" up front cost the more items you produce the cheaper they become.

The Dwarvenite line is to broaden the appeal of DF. If it succeeds then the cost of the moulds is amortised over a greater number of pieces. You still have production and shipping costs but the hope is that the KS will allow DF to bring down prices slightly, which will hopefully bring it into the price range of more buyers, who in turn buy more pieces and hopefully allow DF to reduce the prices again slightly.

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you don't put a commercial on TV advertising a sale, then when everyone gets to yur store tell them that the sale is actually next year but only if enough people purchase products today
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Re:Listed Game Tiles price seems high? 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
jimibones83 wrote:
you don't put a commercial on TV advertising a sale, then when everyone gets to yur store tell them that the sale is actually next year but only if enough people purchase products today


No, but you do that with a crowd-funding site like Kickstarter. If DF hadn't done it, they would have had to save up (or borrow) a lot of money in order to pay for development, production, materials, etc. By doing a pre-sale, they got to start right away with their own money.
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#56752
Re:Listed Game Tiles price seems high? 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Florin wrote:
jimibones83 wrote:
you don't put a commercial on TV advertising a sale, then when everyone gets to yur store tell them that the sale is actually next year but only if enough people purchase products today


No, but you do that with a crowd-funding site like Kickstarter. If DF hadn't done it, they would have had to save up (or borrow) a lot of money in order to pay for development, production, materials, etc. By doing a pre-sale, they got to start right away with their own money.


Yes but the point of the KS was to build the funds to develop a new line using Dwarvenite so that sets could be offered at a cheaper price than the MM line. As it stands right now the Dwarvenite set exceeds the cost of the Master Maze line because you get less pieces with the Dwarvenite line than you do with the MM line. However, with bulk discounts planned my point has been negated.
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#56754
Re:Listed Game Tiles price seems high? 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Haven't looked at the prices myself, but is there a difference in shipping price as well? GT's I would think you could pretty much just throw in a box, whereas the resin stuff comes very nicely packed.
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#56755
Re:Listed Game Tiles price seems high? 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
jericho wrote:

Yes but the point of the KS was to build the funds to develop a new line using Dwarvenite so that sets could be offered at a cheaper price than the MM line. As it stands right now the Dwarvenite set exceeds the cost of the Master Maze line because you get less pieces with the Dwarvenite line than you do with the MM line. However, with bulk discounts planned my point has been negated.


And I would expect new MM to continue to increase in price as resin increases in price. One of the stated reasons of creating Dwarvenite was to avoid the price of resin increasing. Since all the MM DF is selling now was already made with (presumably) resin when it was cheaper, DF can still sell it for a (relatively) low price.

(I hadn't heard about bulk discounts. Good news!)
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#56756
Re:Listed Game Tiles price seems high? 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
DungeonBuilder wrote:
Haven't looked at the prices myself, but is there a difference in shipping price as well? GT's I would think you could pretty much just throw in a box, whereas the resin stuff comes very nicely packed.


In my calculation I assumed a set of Dwarvenite would ship for $10 and I used the shipping calculator to obtain the shipping cost of 1 MM set to be $20. I would assume that since the dwarvenite can be thrown into a box that it would be substantially cheaper because of how the MM line is packed.
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#56757
Re:Listed Game Tiles price seems high? 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Not that it makes a big difference to your math, but the Game Tiles set actually has 14 walls and 12 floors.

From my perspective, the biggest feature of Game Tiles is the existence of unpainted sets. I've been saying for years that DF should sell unpainted sets (I was saying it to myself, though, so I can't take any credit :P). I know this isn't the case for everyone, but as long as unpainted sets offer meaningful savings over resin, I'll be happy. Bulk discounts would certainly be a big bonus.

Of course, I'll still buy a bunch of resin when it's back in stock; the Kickstarter reminded me that I'm not the broke college student I was when I first discovered DF....
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#56805
Re:Listed Game Tiles price seems high? 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
You have to consider the fact that having the sets hand painted is a BIG part of the cost of each set, regardless of what they're made of. I would imagine there were nearly no cost savings at all when comparing the resin to dwarvenite sets (maybe a slight difference because the dwarvenite set has fewer pieces). Taking that into account, it makes sense that there wouldn't be much of a cost difference between sets. In my mind the kickstarter's goal (making DF more affordable) was a success- the "unpainted" sets look great on their own and are significantly cheaper.
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#56809
Re:Listed Game Tiles price seems high? 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Keep in mind also that the cost of making Resin Sets has gone way up even in this last 2 years so any restocked Sets will be much higher in price than what they used to be, and that will show that in comparison the Painted Game Tiles will be much more affordable than the fancy Resin pieces...
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