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#56503
game tiles vs master maze 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
I plan on buying 5 sets of game tiles in November. I don't own any resin sets and I'm wondering if there are any advantages when compared to game tiles. Are they more detailed? Or is it just that there are many things offered in resin that can't be offered in dwarvinite? Perhaps I can get an answer here from Jeff, Stefan, or someone who owns resin and has seen dwarvinite at gen con or something
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#56504
Re:game tiles vs master maze 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Disclaimer: I am not working for DF and therefore my answer is definitely not official.

I would say that nowadays, with the 1.9 million dollars worth of material to take care of and ship, it is perhaps not the best timing to directly ask questions to Stefan and Jeff (please read Stefan`s request here).

There are many pros and cons of resin versus PVC (dwarvenite). PVC is a much cheaper material than resin and it is very durable and won`t break under stress. Resin on the other hand can represent much finer details of sculpts. The resin molds are somewhat flexible which allows casting of more intricate 3D designs into the sculpt. The molds of PVC are done in metal and are VERY expensive to make (around $10000 each). This means that only the pieces that are to be cast MANY thousand times can justify the initial investment of making a PVC mold. For example, the latest catacombs Set has 12 different pieces in it. Although the sculpt is wonderful, the demand for such a specialty Set is much lower than the Game Tiles which are universally useful for fantasy gaming. There is just no demand that would justify the initial $120 000 investment necessary to make Catacombs in PVC. This means that Resin casting allows the financial feasibility of smaller-scale productions.
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#56505
Re:game tiles vs master maze 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
I wasn't directly asking them at all, I just named them in my short list of possible sources for an answer. I posted in public, I didn't send them an email. I do see how they could be pretty busy, though both have taken time to address questions of mine recently and I see Stefan makes posts here on the forums pretty regularly. Thanx for answering my question though. I'm gathering game tiles are somewhat cheaper and far more durable while resin holds better detail
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#56509
Re:game tiles vs master maze 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
What he said! (BioWizard) he,he....

But, i will add, sometimes we can add more than 1 piece into a mold so it's not quite THAT expensive, but is still VERY expensive up front....and would only work for designs that require like 100,000-200,000+ of the SAME piece...we had some pieces in our recent kickstarter that we cast 1,000,000 of.....yes, that's NUTS!

So yes, only something we think will be a "Blockbuster" will be done in Dwarvenite (PVC)

As far as detail goes, it seems that dwavenite can hold some really nice detail, better than I initially thought...but i suppose for the connoisseur, If you really look close, the Resin has a slightly crisper feel to it, more like stone, and it feels more like stone to the touch...it's not something you really notice when gaming, but if you were to compare them side by side and study them you would probably think the Resin looked more "naturalistic"

I think there is a place for both lines...the Game Tile Dwarvenite is like a trusty FORD that you load up and drive around and not worry about, and the Mastermaze is like a fine Ferrari or Rolls Royce that you prize and take care of...
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#56511
Re:game tiles vs master maze 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Stefan wrote:
So yes, only something we think will be a "Blockbuster" will be done in Dwarvenite (PVC)

As far as detail goes, it seems that dwavenite can hold some really nice detail, better than I initially thought


Once you have done caverns in Dwarvenite and if you do sewers as your third highly successful Dwarvenite KS. Would you ever think of doing a Greek/Roman building/ruins Dwarvenite KS? Since Realm of the Ancients is a limited edition set in resin I do not know if you would do it in Dwarvenite. But I would love to have a enough ancient building parts to do massive ruins in Dwarvenite filled will classic monsters of antiquity, or use the ancient Dwarvenite as temples to the deities, or having the ancient ruins be a lost underground city.

I think most of the resin sets would sell like hot cakes if put in Dwarvenite.
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#56515
Re:game tiles vs master maze 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
I have 15 GT sets coming to me and over 20 MM (and just ordered 9 more from the EU store). I've done some side by side comparisons. GT feel significantly lighter, but not insubstantial. The level of detail has been great, maybe not quite as crisp as MM but for the existing line it's great.

I've held off on buying more classic dungeon MM, since I don't see any key pieces of the advance builder or wicked additions that would work in a GTv treatment, assuming there's demand for these more specialized pieces.

I am still buying up cavern sets since I love the entire cavern lake and chasm treatment and I can't see that making a good GT migration. While I'll probably get another 15 sets at their next ks I want enough MM to help disguise and transition if needed.
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#56593
Re:game tiles vs master maze 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
I spent some time tracking down the cavern set as well as a bunch of the Sci-Fi sets to see how I felt about the resin. While I don't have any Game Tiles on hand I feel safe in saying that I'm a fan. Resin is great, if you don't travel a lot or have to ride the bus to get to a game. I especially like the Sci-Fi sets that I have, but I would replace them with Dwarvenite sets in a heartbeat simply because the Dwarvenite material is going to last longer and be able to survive several moves, as well as weekly travel to gaming locations.

There is also the matter of the mounting costs of resin pieces. I don't mind paying them for specialty pieces that I can't get another way. Probably will be ordering more Sci-Fi sets in the future. However, my bulk purchases will all be in the cheaper Dwarvenite material. Especially since I can order it unpainted and then customize the pieces just the way I want. That part is so huge that I don't think it can be stated strong enough.
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