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#33112
Watchmen movie 5 Years, 1 Month ago  
I saw the Watchmen movie today, and I was very impressed. Great cast, very true to the graphic novel, though with a few changes. The changes were not such that they changed the flavor of the story, but still I thought they were unnecessary.

This is one that I'll pick up on DVD as soon as it's available.
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#33113
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I agree, I was surprised -- I had low expectations, but it was a good film. Probably not QUITE as good as it should have been, given the revered status of the source material -- but far closer to, say, LOTR than to the Harry Potter or (shudder) Hitchhikers Guide translations. In other words, on the Geek Bible Spectrum, it rated quite highly. Fans of the book, fans of the genre, it's worth your time.

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#33114
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Well, ranking it close to Peter Jackson's ADAPTATION of Mr. Tolkien's masterpiece is certainly not high praise, but I know many people loved those movies, so I'm hopeful Watchman won't won't disappoint....;)

Also, I heard the DVD version will come packaged with an animated short of a pirate story!!!
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#33115
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I think the major changes were made in the interests of time. Establishing those elements would have added a full half-hour to the movie, easily. Each.
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#33116
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I have a strange reaction....first i want to emphasize that i really like the Original Watchmen. However.......I actually thought it was TOO identical to the source...as I watched the movie I had a strange feeling that I had already seen it.... I actually think people that had not read the graphic novel or comics might have enjoyed it more simply because they didn't know what was going to happen next...where as i did...which made it sort of boring in a way...strangely, i did not have that similar sensation while watching LOTR or any other made into movie films before. Perhaps that is because this one was adapted from a comic which obviously has images rather than just written text..with other movies one gets the joy of seeing what you "imagined" come to life...while with this material, one has already seen what everything is supposed to look like...thus leaving nothing new...and also making it hard to change anything even if you wanted to because you would have no excuse in saying for instance, well, that's how I imagined it....

I also thought the characters were too "superhuman" at fighting...after all only one of them actually had "super" powers....so how are these aged, over the hill, costumed heros fighting with the stength of 10 men? I thought an emphasis should have been more on realistic fighting rather than making every blow seem like a "Superman" type crushing type blow...perhaps I felt that way because they really WERE totally bad ass.

Perhaps i am being too critical....

I still think it was good. Will definitely get the DVD.
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#33117
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Yeah I told my friends if you read the graphic novel you might get the feeling that the movie is something like a rerun. Again like said above, maybe because I already saw the images from the novels.

They definitely shortcut the character's back stories but for obvious reasons it would have added a lot of time to the movie.

I really enjoyed the movie and the special effects. I agree with Stefan, I felt too many punches were "out of the matrix" crushing blows. Although I think the fight scenes were still exciting, and made good use of environments. I will be getting this DVD as well.
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#33118
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Stefan,

Interesting criticism. Yours may be the first that I've heard where someone criticizes a film for being too close to the book. I think your desire is based on wanting to see something new added to the original, some new element or perspective that the original lacked.

I recall the scene in The Fellowship of the Ring where they face the cave troll. In the book, the creature stuck its foot inside the door, Frodo stabbed it with Sting, and it withdrew. In the film, it became the center of a terrific action scene, which I highly enjoyed. So in that instance I certainly commended Jackson for embellishing on Tolkien's work. I also didn't mind that he left out Tom Bombadil (or Tim Benzedrino, for Bored of the Ring fans), a character who was superfluous and seemed to belittle the power and importance of the Ring.

In the case of Watchmen, some elements were removed for time, such as The Black Freighter, which we'll see in the DVD. Backgrounds were slightly abbreviated, but still conveyed the critical elements. Some scenes had minor changes, like using a circular saw instead of a cutting torch in the prison scene, or Rorschach's scene with the pedophile. The villain's grand scheme changed significantly (I'm hoping for squid in the DVD), but conceptually it remained the same (a common threat).

Given the nature of the graphic novel, the visual elements had already been developed along with the story and dialogue. I don't see too many ways that the filmmaker could have changed any of those for the better.

As for the 300/Matrix-style fighting scenes, it's become the norm for Hollywood fight scenes. You could easily imagine that the would-be heroes that weren't that bad-ass would have gotten killed by the bad guys long before the Keene Act became law. Though hearing Mothman scream, "Not in the face!" would have been fun for fans of The Tick. Truth to tell, I think my favorite Hollywood fight scene was from They Live, with Rowdy Roddy Piper and Keith David going at it hammer-and-tong.

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#33119
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That's what's been bugging me about this movie! Thank you Stefan and rustyblade, I've been trying to figure this out all weekend.

This must be what it's like to see a movie when you've seen all of the storyboards, and/or all of the concept art. Not only do we know the plot, but we have a very strong idea of what it will look like. I guess I shouldn't be surprised -- this is one of the few movies I've looked forward to that I haven't switched channels to avoid commercials, with the rationale that there wouldn't be any spoilers because I'd read the graphic novel (words and pictures).

The only fight sequence that really bothered me was the death of the Comedian, particularly when the Comedian broke stonework over the fireplace. I think that was the only real "superhuman" feat that I couldn't rationalize. The only actual superhuman in The Watchmen is, of course, Dr. Manhattan, although Ozymandius is probably the most powerful of the "costumed adventurers" buy virtue of his superior brain (and thus his superior control of his own body).

That lack of the fantastic is possibly another reason for the big change. Altering that plot point results in a kind of "conservation of disbelief" that makes the movie more accessible to non-comic-fans, and saves the scriptwriter and director having to set up additional plot points.


I'm curious if anyone can think of another adaptation evoked a similar feeling of having already seen it. I'd bring up the second "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", but that's more a matter of having seen the BBC version back when.
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#33120
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It's strange -- I was ready for the worst, but I really enjoyed it. I agree that the superhuman feats were a meaningful change, as was the fact that Dan and Laurie have a generally greater bloodlust than they do in the book (both in the alley mugging and the prison break fights). But I think somehow, I love the original so much, it was a real kick to see it on the big screen, and I can't tell whether it holds up well as a movie on its own. It's so bizarre, because I generally agree that slavish devotion is a bad thing -- the Potter movies come to mind. I can't explain why, but somehow with Watchmen it didn't get in the way for me, and it may actually have made it work. Maybe what got in the way for you is exactly what made it work for me: the fact that the original was a comic, not a novel, so in some sense I'd already "seen" it. Maybe it was thrilling to see pictures turned into photos? Maybe for some reason with a purely written narrative I expect more original visualizations, but with something like this I got a kick out of simply translating the images? Don't know.


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#33121
Watchmen movie 4 Years, 9 Months ago  
The DVD/ Blu Ray comes out next tuesday. Make sure you pick up the directors cut with 24 minutes of added fottage put back in. From what I have been reading it really helps wioth the pacing/ ect of the movie and adds some major stuff from the book that was cut.
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#33122
Watchmen movie 4 Years, 7 Months ago  
WOW!! I just saw this the other day. Never read the GN or even heard of it so the story was fresh and I was surprised at the end. Very hard core though if I must say. I did not know that it was going to be nothing like an X men so was watching it with the fam... OYE!!! Seemed like every other scene was hard hitting though provoking barrage... I hope for a sequel!
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#33123
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If you think that was something, read the graphic novel. It has more layers, and an element that was "left out" that might surprise you.

Enjoy!
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