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#27236
The HOBBIT is COMING!! 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
Great news. I am wondering if Bilbo or Golum will be the same actors as in Rings? Also I guess they will break up the book into two diff movies so there should be plenty of time for stuff. Wondering how they are going to do Smaugh " Spelling? ". Lake town, Mirkwood and the Misty Mountains are probably going to be just great!!! Same actor for Gandalf? Hopefully.....
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#27237
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Smaug. I just hope that they do a decent job with the mouth when he speaks.

I'm almost certain that Andy Cirkis (sp?) will be tapped to do Gollum again. Given the level of CGI replacing the actor, it almost doesn't matter who does the physical acting, but the voice is key.

I certainly hope that Sir Ian McKellan will come back as Gandalf. Tolkien wizards are ageless, so there is no reason he can't play the role.

Ian Holm, on the other hand, is probably a little old to be playing Bilbo that many years prior to the trilogy. David Hyde Pierce might be really good as the country gentleman who was whisked away by a band of dwarves. Or is that too spot-on?
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#27238
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Andy Sirkis as Gollum is a must, as is Sir Ian McKellen as Gandalf. And Ian Holm is quite long in the tooth to be playing a young Bilbo, so I've no idea whom they'll choose in his stead.

We could see a return of Hugo Weaving as Elrond. "Mis-ter Anderson..."

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#27239
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Here's an interesting spot of trivia ...

Ian Holm, who played Bilbo in the LotR movies, was the voice of Frodo in the BBC produced LotR Audio series many years ago ...

Maybe he has a son who can pick up the mantle ???
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#27240
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The spelling is Andy Serkis.

Ian's son Barnaby used to act, and then he has one more son, it could be possible in the best of worlds... :-)

Actually, having the shades and the black suit lurking in the back of my mind, it was very easy to believe in Elrond as a very dangerous elf!
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#27241
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LotR was so-so for me.

If they had removed the annoying parts: Dwarf tossing, Elves at Helms Deep, all-powerful ghosts at Minas Tirith, Skyscraper sized Oliphants with a skateboarding elf, Elrond forgetting that he was half human, a really dumb acting Gimli, and had added a bit more character development and an elf battle at Lothlorien I would have been fine with other changes such as no Tom Bombadil, etc. I just see a lot of this as dumbing down something that didn't really need to be changed.

I overheard a bunch of kids talking about the Helms Deep elves saying how cool they were and saved the men there. To me that was something not needed in the story, like Jar Jar Binks in Star Wars.

....but then again my wife loved Jar Jar Binks and thought him hysterical.
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#27242
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The elves at Helm's Deep replaced the Dunedain at Helm's Deep, who would have required a lot of explanation and might have had to be included in subsequent scenes. Helm's Deep would have fallen without assistance from outside, and they got assistance from the Dunedain/elves, Eomer's cavalry, and Fangorn Forest. That was kind of the point -- Theoden's foolish pride nearly got his people killed, but he "kinged up" and honored his commitment to help Gondor.

Explain how the ghost army in the book was less powerful. They might have been slower (less like a green wave of death), but nothing could stand against them. Again, that was the point, and it was why Aragorn was willing to risk taking the Paths of the Dead. I'd rather see them sweep over Minas Tirith than watch an extra twenty minutes of hack and slash as they go toe to toe with every orc and Southron in Sauron's army.

Tom Bombadil lifts right out of the story. Tolkien wanted to include his take on a "green man" so he stuck it in. It has very little bearing on the actual story, and only makes the heroes of the first installment look weak and foolish. It's okay reading, but not good cinema.

Where is the elf battle at Lothlorien more than a brief mention in the novels? It isn't part of the main story.

To support the kind of stuff Tolkien described (war towers and troops), the Oliphants had to be huge. In order to translate to the screen, that put them at eight or nine stories tall. They were also meant to be the force that completed obliterated the advantage of the Rohirrim cavalry, and making them tower over the battlefield accomplishes that. I think everyone in the theater said something to the effect of "oh crap" when they saw the line of Oliphants coming for Theoden's army.

I dearly loathe skateboarding Legolas. I'd prefer the dwarf-tossing jokes had been left out as well, but Tolkien does tend to lack humor, and a break from all of the life-and-death tension is welcome.

I don't know if I would call it dumbing-down. Certainly a lot of details were left out or altered for the sake of the movies, but the exposition necessary to bring those details in would have killed the pacing, and the amount of filming necessary to act out certain elements of the backstory would have extended each movie by at least an hour. Considering the amount of material, AND the detail (both used and unused), and the realities/limitations of the movie format, PJ did an absolutely brilliant job.

If somebody wants to do a seventy-hour version that is absolutely faithful to the source material, they are welcome to pursue the rights and the funding. But if I want something completely faithful to the novels, I'll just go back and read them again.
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#27243
The HOBBIT is COMING!! 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
Nice rebuttal.

How about your take on the substitution, in numerous places, of new dialogue for what was written in the book?
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#27244
The HOBBIT is COMING!! 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
*cobwebs*

If I recall, there weren't any Dunedain reinforcements at Helms Deep. I thought Aragorn actually fought with Eomer, not a Gondorain force. As for the elf host, Haldir (the guide at Lorien) made it to Rivendell and marched all the way to Helms Deep... why not just escort the party with an army in the first place? I know the elf presence there was symbolic but thought a separate battle from an appendix would have been a better way to show how the elves contributed to the war effort. Lorien wasn't in the main story, but neither was Arwen much in the story. Personally, I think a 3-4 minute Lorien battle would have been awesome.

Sure the ghosts were powerful, but weren't involved at Minas Tirith.

Yes, the Oliphants looked neat at first, but one of the guys in the theater bellowed out... AT-AT walkers! Maybe that jaded me a lot because then it actually felt like an Empire Strikes Back Hoth ripoff instead of Minas Tirith....

Personally, I'm not sure how the changes reduced the movie from 70 hours... Nor do I feel (as Hareloot comments) that the dialogue changes added much value at all...
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#27245
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Personally, I'm glad they left out Tim Benzedrino... sorry, Tom Bombadil. Tolkien had him waltz into the picture, play with the One Ring like a Cracker Jack toy, then waltz back out without doing anything of note. It was bad in the book, and would have been worse in the film.

I still think the Balrog was the high point of the movie trilogy. I can't wait to see what they do with Smaug.
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#27246
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Anyone else suffer through the Silmarillion? Melkor had Legions of balrogs and dragons and Sauron was merely a general.
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#27247
The HOBBIT is COMING!! 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
Suffer through? Surely you jest!


;)

The Silmarillion is my favorite book of the Middle Earth saga - its epic and and intensely tragic!

Viva the Nírnaeth Arnoediad (Battle of Unnumbered Tears)!
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