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Re: Tariffs added to toys, games, and dice.

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 1:33 pm
by AnimeSensei
Talistran wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 12:26 pm
dice4hire wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:17 am
I do not think DF has large margins.
I think you'd be surprised at this point. Back in the day, no. Now? They're doing fine.
I would agree with this statement. They've been able to expand a few times both in staff and their location, and seem to be able to have the freedom to create what they want as opposed to trying to fit a niche they know they need to fill to make $$$.

Re: Tariffs added to toys, games, and dice.

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 12:26 pm
by Talistran
dice4hire wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:17 am
I do not think DF has large margins.
I think you'd be surprised at this point. Back in the day, no. Now? They're doing fine.

Re: Tariffs added to toys, games, and dice.

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 8:17 am
by dice4hire
I do not think DF has large margins.

Re: Tariffs added to toys, games, and dice.

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 8:01 am
by zenako
For sure, affected stuff will cost more. My point was to temper the angst by pointing out that the magnitude of the increase should not be a full 25% but most likely something far less than that. Now I am sure some companies might try to use the pretext of the tariff to boost retail prices by 25% and that would be deceptive and a rip-off. It will be hard to impossible for products with low margins to hide the tariff increase, while some companies/products with large margins might just decide to eat the cost on the short term, perhaps gain market share and then be in a more favorable position once the situation resolves.

Re: Tariffs added to toys, games, and dice.

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:37 am
by Rabbit Burner
We have opinions on this (shocker!)

But this is not the place to air them especially as a non US citizen.

Any price increases will affect our pledge decisions as each SKU will probably cost more and so effect the Bunny Carrots to Dollar Quotient

Re: Tariffs added to toys, games, and dice.

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 6:22 pm
by AnimeSensei
That may be true, but it still is a price increase on top of price increases we've gone through each year with the DF kickstarters. Price per piece/square inch has steadily risen each kickstarter, both due to more intricate pieces with more doodads in them and increased labor costs.

While I follow politics and I don't want it to be on this forum, I will say tariffs are a tax on the consumer, not the manufacturing country. China doesn't really pay anything, other than possibly reduced demand due to price increases. We as consumers pay the tariff when we want to buy our terrain. So we lose both our money and new pieces due to less interest in the product with a higher price point alienating buyers. We as DF addicts lose all around in this scenario. I hope the US and China come to a resolution soon.

Re: Tariffs added to toys, games, and dice.

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 6:00 pm
by zenako
The tariff will be on the cost of goods, not the eventual retail price, so that will substantially lessen the actual dollar impact on things like DF products. They already paid the factory for the molds and other NRE, and that is likely not part of the cost at the docks. I would be surprised if the actual costs of the tiles is more than 25% of the retail cost.

Re: Tariffs added to toys, games, and dice.

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:32 pm
by MrMorden
Oldent wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 10:56 am
I agree
This is not the right place to complain about taxes ;)
Everyplace is the right place to complain about taxes...because...TAXES!!! :lol:

Re: Tariffs added to toys, games, and dice.

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 10:56 am
by Oldent
kitenerd wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 10:20 am
I can’t imagine that - what a nightmare

I could see delaying shipping until the fickle winds of politics blow over

I have to believe that a blanket 25% is not sustainable or realistic but just a warning shot accross the bow to open negotiations - thats what leadership is about right? Petty squables are for the schoolyard.

I’m veering dangerously close to political commentary so i will stop. Suffice it to say i won’t panic or worry about this until the dust settles
I agree
This is not the right place to complain about taxes ;)

Re: Tariffs added to toys, games, and dice.

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 10:20 am
by kitenerd
I can’t imagine that - what a nightmare

I could see delaying shipping until the fickle winds of politics blow over

I have to believe that a blanket 25% is not sustainable or realistic but just a warning shot accross the bow to open negotiations - thats what leadership is about right? Petty squables are for the schoolyard.

I’m veering dangerously close to political commentary so i will stop. Suffice it to say i won’t panic or worry about this until the dust settles