Every time I read about this topic I feel a certain frustration. Of course, who wouldn't want to get the "old" stuff at a discount... so let's convince good old Dwarven Forge to throw it onto the new kickstarter and let's all be happy. But there are problems with that. Dwarven Forge ran KS1 to finance the making of KS1 pieces. Everybody who participated then got a great deal, and now DF can sell it in there web store. Looking back it feels like no risk, but don't forget that was their first kickstarter, and no matter how much you believe in DF, there was risk all around.Kryzsko wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:52 pmWhy would it be a problem if people adding KS1 sets helped reach stretch goals? It should be cheaper to make more KS1 pieces than all new pieces. It should not hurt anything. I would think this would be a good thing. They bring in the money they need and some of the pieces are cheaper to make (no new mold needs to be made). The idea of adding KS1 add-ons would be to entice new backers who don't have KS1. I don't know that waiting for the pledge manager is going to bring in new backers during the KS.unclebilly wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:01 pmI just don't see where they would want to add on KS1 to the KS5. Doing that will add money to up stretch goals. I think there best bet if they want to let people get stuff from KS1,2,3,or 4 would be to allow for it to be added in the pledge manager after the KS has ended letting you add it to your order to lower your shipping and also it would let them know how much they would need to order of each item.
I don't know, maybe the new style will bring in new bakers all on its own and no enticement with KS1 sets is necessary. One thing I think is true is that DF will likely bring back some of the KS1 backers that have not backed since then. I do think KS5 will be successful no matter what. It should be fun to watch while I am working hard to paint my Castle.
I do think this is an interesting survey. It does show that even among the hardcore Dwarven Forge fans there is a desire for more KS1 sets.
Now they're up to KS5 and the risk seems far less significant. But reading things here, or watching The Dwarvenaut we know that no matter how skilled or devoted the DF folks may be; it takes a lot of money for them to pull this off every year. When they run KS5 it should be for the new stuff, old stuff just dilutes the goal of raising funds for the latest and greatest.
To summarize my thoughts:
1) If backer's pledges for KS5 are for old pieces, how are they actually raising money to pay for all the new KS5 pieces.
2) Stefan and DF deserves to make a decent profit off what they've already developed, so if they offer it, buy it from the store. Or if you have to through the secondary market.
3) The last few years have seen an amazing output from Stefan and DF, kickstarter makes this possible. It makes new product available much faster than conventional methods, so I hope they continue with it for as long as possible. Selling KS1 pieces in KS5 will reduce the amount of new stuff delivered.
4) And, finally, the kickstarter is an event just by itself. The posts, the camaraderie, and the reveals. Seeing "old" stuff would be a wet blanket, in my opinion.
Having said all that if DF wants to offer "old" stuff for a discount, great, that's their choice. But I don't believe that's what the kickstarter should be for. And personally, I would not sacrifice new add-ons for old pieces that we can already obtain through some other channel.