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#66423
Alternative to DF GT Floor Pieces 3 Months, 1 Week ago  
Hello,

Last year I traded a set of Bones I for two sets of DF Game Tiles plus stretch (so around 3 sets). They are pretty cool and I also purchased a few sets of the Cavern Tiles. I later found TheDMsCraft and all the cool vids on Youtube while looking for cheap ways to create dungeon dressing and such. Here are my tiles:



One of the problems of the with my limited sets is that there are not enough floor pieces, I have have many more wall pieces plus larger floor pieces make for faster loadout. So my phase 1 trial was to make 100 cm x 100 cm tiles out of model magic which I made by using the DF peices as a "mold." Here are my first experiments:



and here they are in the DF tiles:



They are actually really great. The downsides are that they take a while to dry (especially in the winter) and they shrink. Adding and cutting can help alleviate this and they can get close enough to spec to be useful (still need to be painted).

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My third trial was with using corregated plastic board (which I have added a layer of model magic on top of to have a grid in relief). I doubled up the board and had the corregation be crisscross of added strength. A few pics:







As the surface of the plastic is kinda ugly, I added the model magic on top. It remains to be seen how it will affect the board as it dries, but at the moment they look great and are good enough on spec plus strong and light.







Paper cardboard could also be used, but I have serious humidity issues and am exploring other cheap alternatives.

Cheers!


be used, but I have serious humidity issues and am exploring other cheap alternatives.

Cheers!
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#66424
Re:Alternative to DF GT Floor Pieces 3 Months, 1 Week ago  
Recasting pieces from molds of DF is not a valid way to expand your collection.

When we buy DF, we buy the physical pieces, not the rights to reproduce them.
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#66425
Re:Alternative to DF GT Floor Pieces 3 Months, 1 Week ago  
Kindly delete this thread if it is out of line. Just trying to share some ideas without actually copying tiles, these are more compatible crafted items.

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#66426
Re:Alternative to DF GT Floor Pieces 3 Months, 1 Week ago  
Craft your own accessories by all means. HirstArts sells molds with the express intent that their customers will cast pieces from them (until they wear out, at which point the customer must buy more molds from HA). Sculpt your own pieces and cast as many of those as you want.

But casting pieces from molds taken directly from any company's end-use terrain or miniatures is a violation of their intellectual property rights, even if you join a bunch of them together, and even if it is for your own use.

Large floors made for DF by DF are available here.
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#66427
Re:Alternative to DF GT Floor Pieces 3 Months, 1 Week ago  
Me I sculpt my own a few I've posted on here and I use sculpey
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#66429
Re:Alternative to DF GT Floor Pieces 3 Months, 1 Week ago  
To be honest, this looks like one of those instances where DIY is not worth the time, money, and effort compared to convenient purchase options.

Time, price, and gas money spent getting the plastic, model magic, brushes, and paint-- then the time spent assembling it and painting it-- then to get the finished product which looks brittle and pretty inferior to the neighboring terrain anyway... I don't see the value. Time is money, and my time is worth a lot more than the value I'd get doing these myself, even if I had the materials lying around my house.

For 70$ (50$ if I buy 2 other items) I can get a substantive pack of real painted indestructible matching dwarvenite flooring; for 45$ (36 if 2 other items bought) I can get real unpainted dwarvenite flooring. Granted shipping must be added but that becomes more economical if you are ordering at least 3 items anyway. Time spent purchasing online is less than 5 minutes, and it is delivered to my door, looking great and ready to use.

If you want more bang for the buck, you could order great looking Hirst-Arts-made 2X2 DF compatible Dungeon Floor Tiles off Etsy or other online sites for prices like 0.50 per 2X2 tile unpainted or 1.50 per tile painted, with shipping not that much.

Either of those options seems more efficient, more attractive, more durable, and not a whole lot more expensive than messing with the model magic stuff. (Less expensive if you value your time.) Heck, if you want to spend next to nothing, you could use some cardboard, foam, old legos, wood, or other spare material lying about and top it with a textured grid printout in the color of your choice.

If people are into making their own stuff and being artistic, that's great, more power to them!; but as a way to supplement DF tiles "cheaply", I don't see much value here to the DIY flooring. The look and the durability leave a lot to be desired [I have a hard time buying the claim that the stuff is very durable as I've read many online forum posts saying how dried Model Magic is pretty breakable.] When the "professionally done" floor tiles are not that expensive on the whole, that seals the case in my book. If I really wanted to not spend money, I'd just use a gridded paper or mat.

Hacking elevation to some degree is almost a necessity with a dearth of current DF pieces to actually use to create large elevated layouts and the prohibitive cost to go large with existing pieces. Hacking floor tiles is not really necessary with the plethora of cost effective or no cost options out there. At least in my opinion, though of course everyone's mileage may vary!
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#66430
Re:Alternative to DF GT Floor Pieces 3 Months, 1 Week ago  
I don't know if I am misrepresented myself, but I am not making molds of pieces then casting them. The closest is doing tofu press like pieces, then pressng in relief (then doing a few more steps to get them the right shape). I could make an actual mold and then cast them, But this is different. The grid lines are raised and not really all that close to the original. It's.more of an impression than a copy. Maybe that is too close of a distinction, so again please delete this thread if it is out of line.

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#66433
Re:Alternative to DF GT Floor Pieces 3 Months, 1 Week ago  
He's making an impression in clay, I don't see the difference between this and the thread on these boards a few months ago where someone made "stamps" out of DF floors for an outdoor grid.

If he were casting the pieces in a way that actually looked like the DF tiles, that would be an issue. I don't see one here.
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#66434
Re:Alternative to DF GT Floor Pieces 3 Months, 1 Week ago  
Yea I have to agree with anime I didn't think he was casting any actual DF pieces to begin with. And man Anime how can you remember posts from that far back my brain doesn't go past last week lol
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#66441
Re:Alternative to DF GT Floor Pieces 3 Months, 1 Week ago  
I apologize. I misunderstood the phrasing about using DF pieces as a mold.

I still think using the tiles to press texture into a large homemade tile pushes the boundaries of fair use. If you need more DF floor pieces, buy more DF floor pieces; if you want to make your own alternative floor pieces, then make your own.

Using DF's products to create direct substitutes for DF's products to avoid paying for DF's products is simply not sound.

(Using the tiles as an ink stamp to create a mat differs in that it is not creating a direct substitute for an available product. If DF did offer a mat featuring a floor tile print, it would be right out.)
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#66449
Re:Alternative to DF GT Floor Pieces 3 Months, 1 Week ago  
I believe everyone is perfectly entitled to make molds and casts from everything they own for as long as they do not sell their casts and use them for anything but their personal use. This is the same for DVDs. You can make copies of them, as backup, for as long as you do that for your own use and do not distribute them. Is it really worth the money and effort for Game Tiles given their low prices? In my opinion, no.
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#66451
Re:Alternative to DF GT Floor Pieces 3 Months, 1 Week ago  
No, they're not. That right belongs to and derives from the intellectual property holder.

Different rules for media came about from the advent of volatile media storage technology and portable playback devices. Transferring LPs to tape so you could listen to your music away from the bulky, cord-bound turntable later became multiple instances of a file on separate playback devices. Having a copy of an LP on tape did not allow you to strike a new LP if yours broke, and the ability to download a previously purchased file is mostly to compensate for the ease of corruption or accidental deletion.

With media storage, the expectation is that the purchaser will not be using multiple copies of the same thing at the same time. When recasting (or imprinting) GameTiles, however, the copies and the originals can and almost certainly will be used together.

If anyone can make "personal use" copies of DF products, why should anyone buy more than one of each set DF makes? Or any other product that can be reproduced by the customer once they have a single instance of the product in hand?

Who cares how much time, effort, research, development, or money went into creating a product that customers (including the crafter/copier) liked enough to buy? Who cares about laws that were created to encourage innovation and new business by protecting the intellectual property and distribution rights of inventors and investors?

Who cares if DF's sales suffer because their customers would rather recreate the pieces at home than buy them from the company that just retooled its entire production methodology to make them affordable. Who cares if unsold inventory in the warehouse slows down restocks. Who cares if "personal use" copies reduce DF's profits enough to put them out of business?

As long as we get what we want without paying for it, who cares about a silly little gaming terrain company and the foolish dreamer who started it?
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