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#62888
Cavern mine cart tracks 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
There was talk a week or two ago on the KS about putting railroad track down for mine tracks on the cavern pieces. I have some cavern stuff currently that I was thinking about playing around with while I waited for the Dwarven Forge KS stuff to come in this fall.

The talk centered around what scale to use for the tracks and with using a 25-28mm mini as a basis it sounded like the correct scale of track to use would be S or O. Most likely O just because it's a lot more common and hence much less expensive to use. My question is this. I've done a bit of research online the past few days on model railroad stuff and the scale assumes a real world track with of 4' 8 1/2". When I thought about that though it occurs to me that in a mine you are not going to have a close to 5' wide track running through it. The problem I've run into is I have not been able to find any information of how wide the model tracks actually are. I found some indication that O scale might be around one and a quarter inches wide, but I'm not real confident with that number and I haven't been able to find any info on the other scales as to the actual track width. I've been looking at perhaps either HO or N scale. I unfortunately live in a smaller city and our game store closed up about a year ago and the two hobby stores we used to have have also both closed since them as well so I don't have anywhere I can go to actually get some measurements.

Does anyone out there either know or have some O,S,HO and/or N track they could measure? I'm thinking a 18" or 2' wide track through the mine seems much more logical. With HO being "Half O" that might work, but I just don't want to order online and find out it's the wrong size.
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#62889
Re:Cavern mine cart tracks 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
HO is 16.4 mm and the N is 9mm. If 25mm represents 5 feet, 1 foot must be 5mm, so the N is just over 2 feet wide and the HO is just over 3 feet wide. for a mine track I think will work, but I would go with the HO as it is more common.

here is a visual


or follow this two links & ainstycastings.co.uk/product_info.php/products_id/571 .. one is a dyi and the other is precast mine stuff.
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#62890
Re:Cavern mine cart tracks 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
It looks like N scale is 9mm, while HO is around 16. Both would work, but for the 18"/2' range, N scale seems better. This matches with my memory from the last time I spent much time with trains of either scale (a few months ago).

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#62892
Re:Cavern mine cart tracks 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I suggest the HO scale to represent mine tracks in DF setups even though HO scale is smaller than the 25-28 mm scale of most of our minis and our DF pieces. That is because the distance between real-world train tracks is wider than what you think is being used in old-fashioned Indiana Jones style mines.
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#62893
Re:Cavern mine cart tracks 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Since any minecart system worth its salt has to have some minecarts on it, it seems like step one is to find minecart pieces that look correct next to our miniatures, and then whatever scale of model train tracks said minecart looks good atop is the correct scale.

Anyone found a good minecart? I don't need working wheels or anything.
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#62894
Re:Cavern mine cart tracks 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
After quite a bit of looking, this is the only thing I've found.

Mine Cart

It's O scale, but unfortunately they only have a drawing of it and no pictures. It's also a bit on the more modern side than what I think of when talking about medieval. They also have mine card track on that site as well, but again only drawings, and they are out of stock on the straight pieces.
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#62895
Re:Cavern mine cart tracks 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I used n gage. Road wheels are available at most RR shops as parts. I have not made the cart or bumper yet. I made the grass tufts myself. School glue on wax paper.



This is a rebuild of and old paper kit. Craft sticks over a scrap wood core also used Min-Wax. Just like the Utube link. I added it to my favorites too.
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#62896
Re:Cavern mine cart tracks 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I went ahead and ordered the mine cart I referenced in my other post. I found they had a mine cart and track kit with the cart and several pieces of track. Once it arrives, if there is interest I'll post a few photos.
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#62897
Re:Cavern mine cart tracks 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Ainsty has several 28mm carts. Scroll down they are near the bottom of the page.
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#62898
Re:Cavern mine cart tracks 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Thanks for the photo Oldmanwillow. Yea the scale of the N track does look good next to the mini. I meant to order some N track when I ordered the mine cart, but a 2 year old was running around by me while I was doing the order and she successfully managed to distracted me.
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#62899
Re:Cavern mine cart tracks 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
dafrca wrote:
Ainsty has several 28mm carts. Scroll down they are near the bottom of the page.


Thanks for the link! I don't know how I missed those. I checked that site and saw the gold mine kit but didn't click through to the second page of accessories and see the carts.
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#63138
Re:Cavern mine cart tracks 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
1:45 - 31.8mm gauge - O scale = 1:60 gauge of 6′3″
1:60 - 25/28mm miniatures - note, they are bulkier than real life people
1:64 - 22.4mm gauge - S scale - mathematically closest, but very rare
1:87 - 16.5mm gauge - HO scale = 1:60 gauge of 3′3″
1:76 - 16.5mm guage - OO scale - UK variant of HO
1:160 - 9mm gauge - N scale = 1:60 gauge of 21¼″
1:76 - 9mm gauge (aka OO-9 or HOe) - larger ties look better for 28mm

Since 28mm miniatures are relatively bulky, and on bases, they actually look correct next to O scale vehicles. But O gauge track will look too big on the ground next to the same figures.

HO gauge is the correct 1:60 width for powered narrow gauge rail, (western mountain trains, trolleys, etc.), but the wooden sleepers will look too small. On30 (30″ gauge in O scale) is the same 16.5mm gauge as HO but has O scale sleepers.

But for a fantasy mine the gauge would be even smaller, thus 9mm works well. Of course N scale track will have tiny sleepers. HOWEVER, Peco SL-400 flex track is the same 9mm guage, and has larger OO scale sleepers that vary in shape, and angle to look hand laid. It comes in 36" lengths, and is easy to find online. Roco and Big City Hobbies make a variety of OO-9/HOe mine cars, that look perfect as hand-pushed mine carts. These carts are harder to find, but Walthers has them in stock. www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/168-5104

Even more detail on my page here: d6universal.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Miniatures_scale
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