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#62320
Re:Craft Thread - Foam Cliffsides 6 Months ago  
Too cool!
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#62321
Re:Craft Thread - Foam Cliffsides 6 Months ago  
I'd be proud of that too! Very nice work, and quick turnaround. I like that it has the grid tiles at the flat parts.
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#62322
Re:Craft Thread - Foam Cliffsides 6 Months ago  
Wow, first of all this looks incredible. The colors and textures are all fantastic and you knocked it out much quicker than I imagined.

How did you approach elevation for this piece? Obviously some of the vertical distances between squares are 10s of feet and represent a sheer drop off. But some of the distances appear to be between 0.5-2 squares in height, so perhaps 2.5'-10' in height. Are these meant to be "difficult terrain" that can be overcome by spending extra movement? Would you require some sort of athletics or climbing check? Would the characters need to use rope and other climbing equipment? I'm mostly asking about the areas that have a stair-step appearance, but that have vertical distances that appear to be larger than would be typical for normal stairs.
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#62326
Re:Craft Thread - Foam Cliffsides 6 Months ago  
@thebigteacher Thank you!

@jchunick Glad you like it! I think this was about 7 hours of work total from start to finish. Now that I have a method I think I could start shaving some time off that. :)

@ebrandeis There are 7 layers of foam to this. each piece of foam was 1 inch thick. In Pathfinder, 1 inch = 5 feet. So each "step" is a 5 foot climb. It would be up to GM discretion, but I will be treating each step as a climb check. The benefit of using the steps as opposed to going the more direct route and scaling the cliff is that if you fail and fall, 5 feet is not going to result in fall damage. It's safer, especially if there's bad things up top firing stuff at you...

(there's an alternate, medium-safety route along the backside of the cliff.)

Of course, I'm pretty sure I know a player or two who's going to try the most dangerous way up.
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#62328
Re:Craft Thread - Foam Cliffsides 6 Months ago  
Ok, so if I understand you correctly, these are more like natural ledges on the cliff at various heights, rather than carved stairs or natural paths. I was mostly curious if they were meant to form an easy to navigate path up the cliff, but the need for a grid made it appear like more discrete ledges or if that was intentional.

And thank you for sharing all the steps for this project. It's fascinating to learn how you did it and the project looks great.
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#62361
Re:Craft Thread - Foam Cliffsides 6 Months ago  
Beautiful work! I especially like the coloring on the cliff, and how you integrated the grid into the more organic shapes. Well done!
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#62378
Re:Craft Thread - Foam Cliffsides 6 Months ago  
Outstanding work with the water and the clift section. I have not tried to cast resin water tiles. I made mine by painting MDF board.



I paint it black then dry brush the edge forest green. I have used Woodland scenic realistic water or glossy ModPodge for the water effect.
I have been promoting DF on the Hirst Arts page so it is only fair to do the same here. I used a combination of Pine tree bark Hirts Arts cast and the DF resin cavern parts. You can see I like to stack.



You can combine pink foam with Woodland Scenic Rock molds for natural looking cliffs or Carve the foam. You can see I combined both. I like to use premixed dry wall mud as filler. I think it is faster and easier than plaster.





This is an example of Pine bark used as cliffs and risers.

I am looking forward to seeing photos of your Pathfinder project and sewers.
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#62383
Re:Craft Thread - Foam Cliffsides 6 Months ago  
As someone who games under a cruel and capricious GM (we love to hate him...), i recommend always attacking climbing characters. Our last cliff climb we were attacked by fey riding flying creatures... They got mounted charges against our flat footed AC. We got no AoO's because we were hanging on for dear life... IT was so ugly and dangerous!

Beautiful terrain, I have bookmarked this and will hope to emulate the technique someday. Thanks for sharing!
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#62450
Re:Craft Thread - Foam Cliffsides 6 Months ago  
@ebrandeis - Thank you. I'm glad that it's helpful. I've been scouring the forums here trying to pick up tips too. Sharing craft/art techniques is fun and inspiring. :)

@GriffinTamer Thanks! It's still a bit boxy compared to some of the beautiful terrain I've seen from those who use rulers/strings for movement instead of the grids, but I'm pretty pleased with the hybrid approach so far.

@Oldmanwillow - Oh wow, you went crazy with that foam terrain and elevation. Those look amazing! I'll have to give something smaller a try. I don't have the kind of space for large setups like that, as we game at a game shop and everything needs to fit in my car and on the shop table.

@kitenerd Mounted aerial attacks against vulnerable PC, you say... hmmm... *files that away for future sessions*










The progress on my water tiles so far.

The tiles used here have three different methods applied.

  • The first try used no grid (by mistake) and clear resin. These results are in the upper left.

  • My second pass I added a grid to the tiles so that players can more easily see how far they can move. I also used clear resin. These results are in the upper right.

  • Finally I combined the grid with resin that was slightly tinted by ink. (Thanks for the suggestion @biowizard!) This resulted in a deeper look to the water, as if it were something that a player might be able to sink into rather than very shallow water. These results are in the lower right.


The final method is the one that I believe that I will use going forward. I think it looks the most like water.

I am going to try replacing the cork tiles that I have been using as the base for these pours with mdf board. The mdf is much cheaper and more durable. I hope it will be less inclined to float in the molds after the resin is poured. The 2’x4’ MDF sheet was $6.50 and has enough real estate to make 576 2x2 tiles or 144 4x4 tiles. It is also much smoother, which could be a good or bad thing. It’ll be easier to paint on than the cork, which liked to flake away as I scrubbed at it. I do worry about the resin having a good adhesion to it. The cork tiles had plenty of little pours for the resin to set into and “grip”. I do not know if the resin will peel off the mdf or not.

In any case, I think I’m zeroing in on the method I’ll use to make my swamps, sewers, and lakes. I may do some truer blue tiles for clear water and pools, some tiles that look like tar, and some tiles that look like acid. (assuming I have enough resin and materials after I finish my blue/green set. I don't see how I could go through ALL the resin though! It's a lot!) I feel the majority of the tiles I produce will be this blue/green, because I think it works very well for swamps, sewers, and generic water.
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#62453
Re:Craft Thread - Foam Cliffsides 6 Months ago  
Nice!

I'm glad I could help.
Can you tell us more about those fearsome sharks?

Thanks
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#62455
Re:Craft Thread - Foam Cliffsides 6 Months ago  
@Oldmanwillow: The crazy plank goblin bridges are awesome. Is there a ready-to-go product that you used for that, or did you do all that by hand?

(because if there is a ready-to-go product and I just need to handle the elevation component, I'm going to add it to the project queue)

@Undel: The water tiles are looking great. I'm working on sourcing ready-to-go acrylic 2x2 squares for my cheapo take on this project and will be quite happy if I come close.

I have some digital artist friends and am going to try to get them to make me a tiling, loosely gridded texture each for Lava, Ice, Slime, and Water that I can use for mine.

I've seen other versions of this project where some actual terrain detail is being modeled on the MDF before pouring the resin, and I'm encouraged in my plans by how well yours are coming out as paint-on-cork/MDF, since mind will literally be a textured sheet of paper attached to the bottom of a prefab square of cut acrylic.

Now if I can just get those better material photos back from my potential suppliers of cut acrylic so that I can pick and do some first tests.
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#62456
Re:Craft Thread - Foam Cliffsides 6 Months ago  
Lork,

You can try my site: random-roll.com/download-textures/
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