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TOPIC: Minor feedback
#61113
Minor feedback 5 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
After having spent some time with the tiles I have come to the conclusion that the game tiles are inferior painted compared to the master sets. Now it has cost me more to buy it painted, but I intend to repaint these the coming weeks and only buy the unpainted sets in the future. A bummer true, but it would cost more to resend the stuff so I will do what I do best, pull of my shirt and get to business. That being said, what the game tiles have that the master sets don't even come close to, is durability. The stuff is awesome and won't break, dent or chip.

I am still testing, but I prefer my version to the left compared to the "expertly" hand painted to the right (which looks like it lacks some of the shades shown in the painting guides on DF youtube channel).



Not to be a party pooper but sometimes quality control is needed.

That being said, I love the stuff and will buy a ton of the dwarvenite cave tiles.
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#61115
Re:Minor feedback 5 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
I'm of the same opinion. I ordered everything unpainted except two dungeon dressing packs (didn't want to bother painting beds and stuff) and I much prefer my paint job with the purchased paints over the professional paint job that I could see on things like the secret doors and such.
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#61147
Re:Minor feedback 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Belakor wrote:
After having spent some time with the tiles I have come to the conclusion that the game tiles are inferior painted compared to the master sets. Now it has cost me more to buy it painted, but I intend to repaint these the coming weeks and only buy the unpainted sets in the future. A bummer true, but it would cost more to resend the stuff so I will do what I do best, pull of my shirt and get to business. That being said, what the game tiles have that the master sets don't even come close to, is durability. The stuff is awesome and won't break, dent or chip.

I am still testing, but I prefer my version to the left compared to the "expertly" hand painted to the right (which looks like it lacks some of the shades shown in the painting guides on DF youtube channel).





Not to be a party pooper but sometimes quality control is needed.

That being said, I love the stuff and will buy a ton of the dwarvenite cave tiles.


Thanks for the feedback...not sure If you mean the Resin Mastermaze stuff when you say master? If so, yes, the painting is better on those, Resin takes paint much more beautifully, there is a reason why they cost twice as much....
Or maybe you are saying that the Game Tile paint job is not so good? Personally I think it is outstanding when considering the price...they look beautiful to me...of course, everyone will like their own creations (paint jobs) better as it is custom made to your own taste...as it should be...but thanks for your feedback
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#61156
Re:Minor feedback 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Twice as expensive?

The master room set is $109 and the Game Tile 1 set is $85 (and they are similar in size), unless you buy LOTS of them the price is not that big of a difference.

And to be honest, the versions of the painted game tiles I got was like a commercial for burgers, fluffy and juicy, but the stuff I got was nothing of the sorts. Comparing my tiles to the ones on DF website make mine look like there was only one color used when drybrushing, and a lot of the stones were painted over onto grey stones.

No biggie, the tiles are superior to me compared to the master tiles because of their durability, it is just that I will buy unpainted ones in the future.

And I still love you guys. :)
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#61157
Re:Minor feedback 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
As much as I love my game tiles, as I've said before here, the actual paint jobs on the painted tiles is sadly inferior to the ones that were presented in the kickstarter, and on the products page.

I think the biggest problem was over-inflated expectations. I'd played with MasterMaze sets in the past that had a great paint job, and as these were advertised as "expertly" hand painted, I had hoped they would at least do Stefan's sample paint job justice. They weren't even close.

Given how little extra you pay to get them painted, I wouldn't have minded if my expectations weren't so high. I would personally recommend dropping the "expertly" part, and showing actual product images on the products page (or at least a disclaimer that the paint job shown is merely a "sample").

I'm still a big fan of the products themselves, and I'm looking forward to the next kickstarter!
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#61159
Re:Minor feedback 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
I think it all comes down to personal preference.
I bought 10 sets of the KS Unpainted and a bunch of Addon Sets that are still not painted... I have done a few paint tests and all of them are better than the Factory Painted sets.... BUT!... I have to take the time to paint them (Which will probably come down to doing colorful schemes rather than the typical and for that I am jazzed.
When you compare apples to apples you can make a fair comparison... but this is apples to oranges. When you factor the cost of MM resin sets you also have to add the shipping costs to the total just like the Game tiles..... Resin sets are in vastly bigger box's and weigh a heck of a lot more so the total price becomes a bigger difference.
I have mixed feelings with the huge box's.... but... they protect the resin pieces and work great as storage and organization. the Game tiles just get dumped into their own box's.
I absolutely love the field stone of the MasterMaze sets but like to have some areas more refined in a dressed stone... so both are just as useful.
As to price... that is totally up to everybody to figure out for them selves, I find value in both and sooner or later will get around to painting those basic grey Babies.

PS.... If I had the option to have unpainted resin sets I would probably buy both painted and unpainted as I like variety, poor Stefan and Jeff would just have a mess to deal with the logistics.
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#61161
Re:Minor feedback 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
It is clearly not apples and oranges, especially when I stated that the tile sets I got, does not come close to the quality seen on tiles on the DF website. Nor is it apples and oranges if you compare master sets with game tiles, when BOTH are labelled as "expertly" hand painted. Only my master sets are expertly hand painted (to me sloppy paint job and one shade is not expertly hand painted, especially when I just have to look at my master sets to see what it means).

Himanjin is spot on with his post!
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#61167
Re:Minor feedback 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Ok....

I was wrong (Not Really) to say apples to oranges as a comparison of the 2 very different yet identical use products with very different manufacturing processes and the later being very kid friendly as to its ability to absorb huge impacts that the resin could never take.... and .... adding the shipping cost doesn't make the resin price double even if it is a lot more.

Is the paint work better on the master maze product... absolutely but that hasn't stopped me from buying more painted sets (Again Personal Preference).

I'm not on a Campaign to make Stefan change how he sells his products(s)

I am Still adding BOTH Game Tiles and Master Maze to my ever growing stock pile... I'm happy with Painted and Unpainted, LDPE and Resin.

I think there will be a resurgence to GT when the next batch of Resin sets come out and are a lot more expensive...then the discussion will be how ripped off everybody feel.... so not apples and oranges.... but Sour Grapes.
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#61170
Re:Minor feedback 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Personally I do not mind paying high prices as long as they look as good as my master sets (they are IMO a bargain, and I would pay more if that was needed).
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#61175
Re:Minor feedback 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Without delving into paint jobs (which seem to have varied across parts of the run even, hey its China, consistency is not their strong suit; price is)I'd like to point out something about the pricing difference... A lot of folks talk about how the price isn't that different. Stefan mentioned at the beginning of the first KS that the price of resin was going up and that none of the resin sets would be as low as they had been going forward. The price comparisons keep getting made off what is in the store, but the expectation was that those would increase either with the restock or just ahead of it.

Personally, I am very excited about the new line. I do understand that the paint job may have been disappointing for some, but what was delivered may not exactly match what was shown to Stefan and Jeff as samples. As a smaller company (the KS order counts as small for production runs of this sort) you can only exert so much influence on a Chinese producer that can likely fill their queue with or without you. I doubt the phrase "expertly hand painted" was chosen to mislead anyone; also Stefan may have felt that the paint job qualified for the phrase even as is. While you can make objective observations about how something is painted, the quality of the final result is more a matter of opinion. Don't take this to mean I think you have no gripe, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I just think that people forget how harsh text can sound to the person on the other end (i.e. Stefan). He's a good guy and he really wants to make awesome toys for us all to play with!
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#61178
Re:Minor feedback 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Sorry but I couldn't disagree more.

It is irrelevant for me as a customer if the future will see higher price for the master products (and I agree, the stuff is ridiculously cheap for the quality atm), and I do not give feedback because I aim to injure someone's feelings (anyone who runs their own company, I do, must expect negative feedback). And I suspect most people, myself included, are in awe of the durability and detail of these products. That being said, this forum is for feedback and because I didn't get what the pictured showed, I gave it correctly and would do so again.

And I can't see how my comments were hurtful (because my feedback was constructive).

And in Europe where I buy my stuff, shipping seems to be the same for both products.
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#61181
Re:Minor feedback 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
No need to say "sorry" Belakor, as I said I have no issue with your opinion and you are entitled to it. Stefan and Jeff do need to hear what people think of the product, my point isn't that what was typed is hurtful, it was that it can be interpreted that way. It has happened a number of times in the forums that folks express a negative opinion of some aspect and a number of people jump to DF's defense. That kind of loyalty is admirable, but I have found that it seems to usually be due to an over reaction attributable to a potential interpretation of the text. There is no meaningful tone or nonverbal here, so folks can get touchy. I certainly didn't mean to imply any intent on your part for causing hurt feelings.

For the price, from what I understand it has already gone up, the site just doesn't reflect the change last I checked. I think it would be productive to make sure the prices are in line with what the product will cost as of the restock asap. I am not trying to imply that this is the case for you, but several times there were accusations made that DF misinformed customers about the price difference since Stefan had said there would be a cheaper price on the new line, I just wanted to point out that the difference is larger than some folks have realized. You do have a point though, the price isn't relevant for your comparison of the paint jobs.

Also, that is interesting about the shipment cost, I will have to take a look later and see if the same is now true stateside.

I do hope I haven't caused offense with unintended implications.

EDIT: I checked on the price difference for US shipping, it is two dollars cheaper for 1 set of tiles than for one set of resin at the time of this posting. Not a huge difference on one set, but it may add up with a larger order I suppose.
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