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TOPIC: Got my set -- some thoughts
#57684
Got my set -- some thoughts 12 Months ago  
Mine arrived last night. Haven't had time to do a proper layout or anything, but here are some of my thoughts:

I ordered (I think! I'm embarrassed to say I'm not sure exactly what my order was, I need to double check) 2 of the basic set, painted, so I got all the various rewards for that, then I also ordered the dungeon dressing set, the floor set, the castle wall set (with the windows and arrow slits), and the stair set. I think that was all of it....


Unboxing:


First off, get it out of the way, I haven't encountered any warped pieces yet (phew!) I opened my floor tiles, since those seem to be the ones most prone ot it, and they were fine. Based on how everything is packed, even though I still have about two boxes to open (one regular set and one set of stretch goals) I think I should be okay.

Which leads to the next point - boy this stuff is packed like a jigsaw puzzle! The various ways the regular walls and corner pieces fit into a box makes me think there's almost no point in my holding onto the box. I'm never going to be able to get them in there in quite that configuration again. Nor, to be honest, will I want to take the time to put them away so precisely each time.

On the plus side, the pieces are so thick and sturdy, I get the sense that even plopped on top of each other, they won't warp over time. Maybe if the walls were longer, there'd be a risk, but these seem to be stout enough that a wall lying upside down, forming a little tent, isn't going to warp even with a bunch of other pieces on top pushing it down. Not unless you drop a bowling ball on it as well.

Final remark about the initial box: it was much smaller than I anticipated! Based on the quantity of stuff I was getting, I expected to arrive home to find a huge box. But it was surprisingly small. Unfortunately, since I know I won't be repackaging these as efficiently, I will probably need double space to store them. But even that isn't too bad. Without the styrofoam etc., these will still take up a lot less room than the resin products.


The goods:

I'm very happy with the final product. The pieces fit together nice and snug, the overall impression when you step back is definitely that this is one solid structure, there are almost no visible gaps. The flat surface along the top of the walls is nice, too, a good opportunity for stacking pieces, and it does create an awesome "labyrinth" appearance.

My personal favorite pieces are the doors, which I expected -- that really is what made me cave and get into GT. I have so many regular dungeon sets, when GT was first shown I was hesitant. It struck me as a product for a different audience, not someone like me who is happy with the resin line. And while the slightly different design would mean that people could choose to enjoy both, it wasn't so radical a new design that I felt like I'd be really missing out if I passed.

But once I saw those doors -- and then, later, the stairs with the ROTA-style modularity but in the dungeon style -- I had to buy in.

And they do not disappoint. They open smoothly, they are painted beautifully, and they look awesome. The variety of doors is perfect, each one is great.

The mosaic floors were a very nice surprise - there is more color variation than I expected even from the more recent pics, and the design was more elaborate than I anticipated. I had originally thought I would do some kind of checkerboard on these, but now I don't think I will. I'm gonna have to come up with something much more interesting. Hmmm....

As for recent concerns about the paint job -- well, I keep going back and forth. When I initially opened the set, I was very happy with the paint. Then, the more I looked closely at the pieces, the more I could see problems. Some pieces had a little bit of sloppiness to them -- areas that didn't quite get a highlight layer and remained too dark, or areas where the drybrush was too wet and it ended up being gloppy and obscuring the detail of the sculpt. Overall, though, I think it's fine. I think it suffers a LITTLE bit from extreme close-up inspection -- and even that is mostly a matter of comparing it to the resin line. The resin walls look real to me, no matter how close you get. If you look at some of the extreme close-ups people (including me) have posted in the Cool Photos section, no matter how close you get, it looks like stone. It's just breathtaking. This stuff, to be fair, when you get close enough, it looks slightly less perfect. There's occasional overspill of brown paint into the cracks, or the drybrush doesn't quite work -- or, one thing I've noticed, sometimes a piece looks glossy, so that the cracks between the stones is glossy instead of matte, and as a result it doesn't quite have the realism that you get in the resin line. But these are very minor nits, apparent only when you really stare at the stuff from one inch away. From a foot away, or from normal tabletop gaming distance, it looks flawless.

I still hold up the resin line as superior, but it's more a matter of degree than of categorical shift. I wouldn't want to see my favorite ideas executed only in Dwarvenite -- but as a cheaper, somewhat less high maintenance alternative, it's definitely fun.

There really isn't much more to say -- these are really great, I consider the KS a huge success, and I look forward to the next installment.
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#57688
Re:Got my set -- some thoughts 12 Months ago  
Now that is a positive review! I think LAW has been the most critical of dwarvenite so far, so that is a good review!

I would agree that resin looks more real. But for somebody like me, it is good enough. Just like pre-painted D&D plastic minis are good enough for me.

I thought you would absolutely trash the paint job. Glad to hear that you like it and that you don't feel they will warp easily. I think your concerns that you stated before (living in Florida) and storing stuff in high-heat storage etc. are very legit for you. I hope this stuff can withstand such extremes even though I won't need it to. Maybe someday it will have to be shoved in the attic so I think that is legit concern. I think I actually learned about mildew on some d&d minis from you in that other thread as well. I thought it was dust, but apparently a few lines had slight mildew that forms because of the type of plastic. I read up on and learned how to take care of it and that is not a health concern etc.

Anyway, great review. And there is never a problem with critical detailed impressions, concerns, or reviews. I find them very helpful.
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#57714
Re:Got my set -- some thoughts 12 Months ago  
Thanks! Yeah, I do think that every criticism at this stage is crucial, even if it's just nitpicking, because we want Stefan to have as much information as possible in making decisions about how to proceed with the Dwarvenite line. What bothers some people might not bother others, and vice versa, so putting it all out there could have really important ramifications further down the line.

Meanwhile, I just found a pic that most people have already seen, from another thread:

www.dwarvenforge.com/images/fbfiles/images/IMG_20130829_233910.jpg

It's a comparison of three pieces: an "as produced" GT piece, an original resin MM dungeon piece, and (I believe) a prototype GT piece painted by Stefan.

The picture does a better job than anything I could manage at showing people exactly what the issues are.

1) For people wondering about the quality of the final product's paint job versus what had been shown before, this seems very accurate to me. Since it's in the same lighting and against the same backdrop, any optical illusions should be minimized. There is definitely a noticeable difference -- whether you prefer the prototype or the final product is of course highly subjective. But you can at least see what people are talking about.

2) This pic also shows off really well the difference between the GT pieces and the resin dungeon walls, and this is what I was trying, awkwardly, to describe in my review. The resin wall really looks like it's made of stone to me. If someone were to take a big stone and shrink it down to scale, it feels like it would look EXACTLY like that. The GT piece involves a little more illusion -- I don't think an actual brick shrunk down to scale would look like that. It's a little rougher, the contrast between the highs and lows is a little stark. For people with experience painting, it really does look like the difference between 4-5 coats and 15-20 coats. A truly perfect piece would require many, many layers, gradually transitioning, to bring up all the detail. This jumps ahead several steps, so you have a much brighter color right up against a darker color, without the same blending and transition. It looks less "real." But, as I said, only when you get very close up. From about 10-12 inches away, it already becomes much harder to notice.
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Re:Got my set -- some thoughts 12 Months ago  
That's my photo :)

And yes from left to right:
Factory GT that Jeff sent at some point as a Thank you to the prototype backers.
Prototype piece painted by Stefan
Existing Resin piece

My view:
When using them to game with, you and your players won't notice the difference. If you play in reduced lighting, even more so.

When examining them as collectibles, or art pieces, yes you'll notice the difference.

When building dioramas or photographing, if you're zoomed in or doing adventurer's eye view, you'll see a difference.

For me, I like them a lot and I know they'll get a lot of use. GT lose slightly on appearance, but gain greatly on storage. Price for a painted set is close enough to a resin set that I don't think I would consider that in my decision (but I am less price sensitive than many). Storage is becoming my bigger problem so GT will probably win for me for "basic" dungeon going forward (not that I need a lot more with 15 sets + 22 addons :) )
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#57738
Re:Got my set -- some thoughts 12 Months ago  
Good points, I agree.

One note I meant to include about my sets: I have been telling my kids about them for months, since they're very excited about having access to Daddy's "not fragile" maze pieces. When they woke up this morning I showed them the pieces and they were very excited. My daughter said she wanted to use them to make Halloweentown.

And that's when I realized they really do look like something straight out of Nightmare Before Christmas.
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#57739
Re:Got my set -- some thoughts 12 Months ago  
Thanks as usual for the thorough and thoughtful review Law. I think you pretty much nailed it.

Mastermaze is truly top of the line...our Rolls Royce. As I have said over and over throughout the 18 years of Dwarven Forge we make the finest dungeons in the entire world and I am very proud because it was always about making something the best we possibly could, it was and still is an art project to me....

Game Tiles is the Mercedes version or the model T if you will....the car your not afraid to take out and drive...it's still built really well and it's tough like a Ford, ready to cake care of business! I use GT when I run games at bars or game stores....at the end I shovel them into a duffle bag, saving me a ton of meticulous tear down!

OK, sometimes I mix MM with GT, can't help it....but it's still a huge saver...the MM is used for specialty rooms or pieces, the majority, the bread and butter of the setup can now be GT....when I am not gaming, it's fun to have a MM Resin setup on a coffee table just to admire while i drink my coffee.....yes I'm that geeky!
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#57860
Re:Got my set -- some thoughts 12 Months ago  
Stefan wrote:
....when I am not gaming, it's fun to have a MM Resin setup on a coffee table just to admire while i drink my coffee.....yes I'm that geeky!


And that's what we love about you and Jeff!

You guys are gamers at heart, so know what we want and share our passions! That doesn't translate well into companies whose final decisions are make by non-gaming bankers and accountants!
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