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#58333
Re:Cheap paint test: Folk Art, Apple Barrel 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
That's the plan.
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#58576
Re:Cheap paint test: Folk Art, Apple Barrel 8 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I let the test tile dry. To check the durability, I scratched each blob of dried paint with my fingernail (I made the mistake of trimming my nails earlier in the day, which made this test more difficult to perform.) Some more info:
  • Apple Barrel Gloss: Dried tacky. I left it for a week, and it's still tacky. It sorta' passed the "fingernail scratch" test, but only because it was tacky & gummy. This is the one paint that I'd absolutely avoid.
  • Americana: Dried quickly, with a matte finish. However, it scratched easily.
  • Delta Ceramcoat: Also dried with a matte finish, and also scratched easily.




After trying six types of cheap paint, the Folk-Art Multi-Surface paint is my preferred choice because it's the most durable. Apple Barrel Gloss is the worst, since it remained tacky even after substantial time to cure. The others (Americana, Delta Ceramcoat, regular Folk-Art, and regular Apple Barrel) were decent: they dried fast, but weren't as durable. The regular Apple Barrel would be my last choice since it seemed to be the least durable.
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#58618
Re:Cheap paint test: Folk Art, Apple Barrel 8 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
UPDATE! I have more durability info!

I cleaned off the two tiles on which I had tested the six different types of cheap craft paint. I began with hot water and a tooth brush, moving on to Simple Green if needed. My results mirrored those from my previous "fingernail scratch" test.

Paint which came off with just hot water and scrubbing with a toothbrush:
  • Apple Barrel
  • Folk Art Acrylic
  • Americana
  • Delta Ceramcoat

Paint which required soaking in Simple Green, followed by hot water and scrubbing with a wire brush:
  • Folk Art Multi-Surface Acrylic
  • Apple Barrel Gloss [Warning: This was the paint which never fully dried, and still felt tacky a week later]

There are two disadvantages to these craft paints: first, they need to be diluted. They're very thick! It's easy enough to add some distilled water (I actually used Liquitex matte medium along with some distilled water), but it isn't quite as convenient as the thinner Pokorny Paints.

The far bigger issue is the color selection: I couldn't find an equivalent of the Olive Drybrush, especially in the limited color line-up of the Folk-Art Multi-Surface paint. I'm currently testing a mix of the brown Coffee Latte and the ivory Parchment, with just a hint of the green Thicket.

And of course, just as I settle upon a line of paints, I see that the official Pokorny Paints will be available again this week. D'oh! ;-)
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#58641
Re:Cheap paint test: Folk Art, Apple Barrel 8 Months, 1 Week ago  
I just soaked a few samples in water with a little dish soap and they all rubbed off pretty easily. I used Pokorny paints, Apple Barrel paints and Dazzling Metallics gold. They all came off with a little rubbing with my thumb, although of course I had to use a brush to get the stuff out of the cracks.

So I guess the message is, if you're going to be using tiles around water, no matter what paint you use, coat it with some sort of varnish.
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#58689
Re:Cheap paint test: Folk Art, Apple Barrel 8 Months, 1 Week ago  
Do you have any Army Painter Spray Primer?

It would be interesting to see how the Pokorny Paints hold up on that. Does it still wash off the tile easily. I'm really curious if priming will make the paint hold better.

And as for sealers, this seems to be the easiest spray to get...

www.krylon.com/products/matte-finish/

But will it react to the paint or the PVC tiles causing damage? How long will it last and will it get brittle and cause damage since the PVC is flexible?

Or would it be better to just brush on some kind of varnish. If so which one and again, will it react negatively to the flexibility of PVC?
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#58695
Re:Cheap paint test: Folk Art, Apple Barrel 8 Months, 1 Week ago  
As long as you have paint on the entire tile, the spray paint or sealer should not hurt anything. If there is exposed tile, you will want to go with something that is PVC safe. If the bottom is unpainted, as long as it is on the surface when you spray so it is not exposed, it should not matter.

I have used Vallejo Matt Varnish to brush on to the couple small pieces I have painted so far and it makes a nice coat. It looks good after application and it provides enough protection that a casual attempt at scraping did nothing. I will likely look into spray for the entire tiles when I get that far though, I don't fancy brushing sealer onto that many pieces that size!
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#64864
Re:Cheap paint test: Folk Art, Apple Barrel 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Here are my results from my Folk Art experience. The advice on this, and other paint tests threads/click were extremely helpful. Also the natural paint thread/click really helped me get the look I wanted.

So...my overall experience...
Folk art paint was the only one I could get my hands on in my small town. Wish I could have got their Multi-surface paint line.
Price $2 per bottle, + primer, ended up being the same as pokorny paint (without shipping)
Light coats worked best. Even with primer and 1 coat of sealer, I can chip paint off with my finger, and scrub it off under a tap.
I am happy with my results, but looking forward to getting my KS2 paint in November.

Basd on the suggestions above, I went with..
BLACK KRYLON SPRAY PRIMER - Cheaper paint, so I figured this would help.
FOLK ART PAINT
Medium gray (2x2oz)
Raw Sienna (2x2oz)
Yellow ochre (2xoz)
Vintage white. (2oz)
SPRAY SEALER- Gloss and Matte

The first test pieces...
Sprayed with back primer. Medium Gray base coat. Painted random bricks with Raw Sienna (too of a thick coat). Yellow Ochre Wash. Vintage White dry brush. Gloss finish.
RESULTS:Meh.
www.dwarvenforge.com/images/fbfiles/images/DSC04016__640x480_.jpg[/img]
After reading the natural paint thread above. I tried this..
Black Primer. Medium Gray Wash. Lightened the gray with a little vintage white and painted a few random bricks (light coat, almost dry brush). Raw Sienna a few random bricks (again, almost a dry brush). 2 dry brush stages. 1 with Yellow Ochre dry brush, and one dry brush with the random brick Light gray from before. Matte sealer finish.

RESULT : HAPPY

Befor Matte







After Matte
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#64866
Re:Cheap paint test: Folk Art, Apple Barrel 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I'd be happy with those too. They turned out very good. Nice work!
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#64876
Re:Cheap paint test: Folk Art, Apple Barrel 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
like the individual lighter stones - really helps the overall feel look more natural and varied - Nice work!
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#64893
Re:Cheap paint test: Folk Art, Apple Barrel 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Thanks. This was my first attempt at painting anything miniature related. The link to the paint scheme thread I got my info from didn't work before.
This should
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#64897
Re:Cheap paint test: Folk Art, Apple Barrel 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
The important thing is that you are happy with it! I like the differences also, but I think I prefer the look before the Matte vs the After myself. The After looks a bit speckled? Not that mine are turning out as good or as consistent. I use a lot of Apple Barrel for terrain pieces and am happy with their colors. One of my players did one add on set with another base grey and it is a bit too light for my taste, but I can live with it especially since he made the effort to help!
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#64903
Re:Cheap paint test: Folk Art, Apple Barrel 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
brvheart wrote:
I think I prefer the look before the Matte vs the After myself. The After looks a bit speckled? Not that mine are turning out as good or as consistent. I use a lot of Apple Barrel for terrain pieces and am happy with their colors. One of my players did one add on set with another base grey and it is a bit too light for my taste, but I can live with it especially since he made the effort to help!


I know what you mean about the speckles, the matte does darken the tile a bit, which makes the yellow ochre wash more noticeable.
It shows more on the pieces with heavier yellow wash. I like the look of erosion/mineral/moss the yellow gives, but too much at it looks speckled/leopard print.

The matte photo was taken under differ lighting, which I see now makes the speckled look worse. You can see it in the before pics if you look hard , but the sunlight dulls it.


Because of the cheap folkart paint I am going to stick with 2-3 coats of matte sealer.

I went easy on my base grey coat, because I feel the same as you on the darker tile look.
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