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#64432
Double sided FLOOR/WATER tiles. 5 Months, 1 Week ago  
I think from here on out, ALL floor tiles should be double sided. It just makes sense.

Floor tiles take up a lot of space to store, and it would take less material to make it this way.

Making it flat shouldn't be too hard to do right?

If its not too late to have all cavern floor pieces done this way, they should be.
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#64433
Re:Double sided FLOOR/WATER tiles. 5 Months, 1 Week ago  
I think this has come up before (double-sided tiles), and it's a good idea, but there are a couple-few questions to address.

First, can the indentation on the bottom of every GT floor piece be eliminated? Is it just the unsculpted side, or is there an actual process reason for it? (Has to be that way so the Dwarvenite can settle, expand, and contract during molding, as a made-up example.)

What will this do to the price of floor pieces? Instead of pouring PVC into a single flat mold, there will need to be two sculpted mold pieces. The bottom already has an impression, so it might not actually cost more to do two sided, or it might double the cost of floor molds.

How will the edges be handled? Currently, the entire edge on all four sides is sculpted and painted to match the flat surface. If the are two gaming surfaces, which one will the edges match? Or will each surface be matched halfway "down", all the way around? This affects some customers' use of tiles, such as stacking full levels, or using floor tiles for low platforms, or using tiles against negative space.

Finally, will putting a sculpted and painted tile surface against a tabletop cause more wear than a sculpted and painted surface subjected to normal gameplay?

Definitely worth exploring, with an eye towards how to make it work.
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#64435
Re:Double sided FLOOR/WATER tiles. 5 Months, 1 Week ago  
jackattack wrote:

1 can the indentation on the bottom of every GT floor piece be eliminated? Is it just the unsculpted side, or is there an actual process reason for it?

2 What will this do to the price of floor pieces?

3 How will the edges be handled? Currently, the entire edge on all four sides is sculpted and painted to match the flat surface. If the are two gaming surfaces, which one will the edges match?

4 Finally, will putting a sculpted and painted tile surface against a tabletop cause more wear than a sculpted and painted surface subjected to normal gameplay?

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1 - free standing walls are double sided, so this should be fine.

2- water is a completely flat surface, so it eliminates the ridge and "dwarvenforge.com". If anything I expect it cheaper!!!! ;)

3- floor/water pieces are usually surrounded on all sides by other tiles anyway. And if not... I would deal with whatever it was to get a DST.

4 - true enough. Maybe spray a sealer on it. EIther way....I would deal with it to get a DST.
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#64446
Re:Double sided FLOOR/WATER tiles. 5 Months, 1 Week ago  
I was asking and suggesting about double sided floor tiles in the many months leading up to KS2 with no real interest being show by others. I do not even remember if Stefan chimed in on it. One they may want the bottom to say Dwarven Forge for all sorts of reasons. Two they may want a paintless bottom for the painting processes. Or perhaps if the bottom needs to be flat on our gaming tables stefan did not think options for flattish made it worth it.

Or perhaps Stefan never heard me asking and suggesting so you will have better luck.
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#64449
Re:Double sided FLOOR/WATER tiles. 5 Months, 1 Week ago  
This is the first I'm hearing about this idea and I like, no LOVE it. I'm guessing that you're talking about the possibility of two different types of painted floor on each end. If it was the same then what's the point?

Anyways, if my thought of what you're asking is correct I think it is super because then one floor side could be normal while the other could be ice, or whatever else one desired. 2x the value! GREAT!

UPDATE: I just did a test run of placing all my floor tiles together upside down and they seemed to line up fine. No problem so I'm guessing this could work!
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#64456
Re:Double sided FLOOR/WATER tiles. 5 Months, 1 Week ago  
The sides of the tiles would be my personal issue. I really like three dimensional builds. This would make such tiles very unsuited for that unless one side goes all the way down and the other does not. Perhaps two of the four sides on each could be done in each side. This issue would concern me. I would be trading one use of my tile for another unless it was successfully addressed.
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#64458
Re:Double sided FLOOR/WATER tiles. 5 Months, 1 Week ago  
Its not a bad idea but one that for copyright reasns may not be doable by DF. They may need to have their name, etc on each tile.

You could do it your self by filling in the bottom w ith modelling material. - golden makes a line of "molding" paste - about $10-15 for a boig 8 oz jar that would fill 75 to 100 tiles easily.
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#64464
Re:Double sided FLOOR/WATER tiles. 5 Months ago  
I just do not know for now if it is something feasible by DF nor if it is something desirable for me.

For now, I would just like to point out that an open water piece is thinner than a regular floor piece. That is because shore pieces of the Water Pack have been sculpted "downward" to put the riverbed below the river banks. I would therefore expect an open water piece being the flat underside of a regular floor to be thicker than a regular open water piece, which would not allow both pieces to align.

Finally, the sides of each Game Tiles pieces are sculpted to show textures. This allows beautiful 3D builds. On the opposite, Water pieces will have perfectly flat sides to facilitate the work of people that will want to pour resin on their Dwarvenite pieces. I'm not sure how this feature could be reconciled with pieces designed to be used both as floor pieces and as lake pieces.
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#64470
Re:Double sided FLOOR/WATER tiles. 5 Months ago  
This is more of a modding idea than a production idea, but the opposite side might be a secondary water paint job. Someone might paint ice floes in water on the opposite side, or algae blooms, or do a personal set of transitions and solid tiles to represent deep water.

Customers who bought unpainted Water Cavern Packs to do multiple fluid environments would also benefit from being able to double up on custom painting, rather than buying up to twice as many open water tiles.
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#64471
Re:Double sided FLOOR/WATER tiles. 5 Months ago  
bio, you make an excellent point about the thickness that is obvious even if I managed to completely overlook it! I'm sure if there is an elegant and economical solution to do some sort of double sided floor tile Stefan will look into it. It might be possible with something where it is an alternate tile on the back that still matches the same brick/stone theme, thus solving the side problem and having a matching thickness.

I can wholly believe that it will increase the cost of the mold. It could be worth it for a special floor pack though, especially if an ancient realms set gets done. Grecian themed details on one side; Norse on the other? Or maybe serpent temple motif one side and eldritch horror on the other? If the cost of the mold is higher, perhaps a survey with an estimated price range could go out to see who would be interested in the double sided floors at the higher price?
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#64473
Re:Double sided FLOOR/WATER tiles. 5 Months ago  
As long as the two sides of the tile belong to the same line, this works. Putting standard floors on the other side of specialty floor pieces like cracks, magic circles, grates, stairs down, etc. greatly increases the versatility of each tile.

Putting two themes on opposite sides also works (especially remembering how some customers reacted to the canine and sun themed floors in RotA), but once you have more than two themes you run into the problem of which ones to pair with which. Some customers will want A/B, some will want A/C, and some will want B/C. Or if you do A/B and C/D, someone will want A/D and be upset that they still have to buy two items while others only need one.
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#64570
Re:Double sided FLOOR/WATER tiles. 5 Months ago  
Here is an outside the box idea. If you used the floor tiles as is upside down, you could use gel filters (photography or theater lighting) laid on top of the tiles. The gel is pretty thin and comes in many different colors. You could use turquoise for water, red or burgundy for blood, red-orange for lava, green for slime etc. The variety of colors is almost mind boggling, and they are cheap and you can cut them with scissors to any shape you want.

Has anyone tried something like that.
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