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#55712
Re:Caverns Kickstarter - Wish List 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
I expect we can probably trust that anything Stefan and company come up with will mesh nicely with existing sets, including resin (aside from some inevitable differences of coloring due to different materials / levels of painting).

What I'd especially like to see in a cavern set:

1. Variety! As others have mentioned, several variations in the basic wall pieces are important so everything doesn't look too repetitive. This is one place where 4x4 (or 2x4) would be better than 2x2. If that's not possible, so be it; but maybe there could be at least one larger piece (akin to the large floor pieces in the first KS set) toward this end.

2. Transitions from dungeon to cavern... doors / gates, also "cave ins" where perhaps an earthquake has crumbled the side of a dungeon passage to reveal a natural cavern beyond. (It may well be that this could be accomplished with a "rock fall" dressing piece that could be placed across a doorway. Certainly a rock fall piece would be nice to have.)

3. River / chasm edges as described above by others (leaving the option for the DM to add whatever substrate is appropriate). Also, especially important: start / end points for rivers & chasms. I think these could be pieces that could do double service either as small caves / goblin warren entrances, or as openings from which underground waterways emerge. I think this sort of thing would be really useful and worth making in more than one variety (larger / smaller; perhaps also one that's natural, another that looks like some humanoid crafted it in a natural cavern wall). A waterfall can also work as a starting point, but would have less utility I think and would really be best made with some clear material.

4. Freestanding walls and stalagmite clumps. I don't see much value in stalactites, unless part of a larger piece (natural cave entrance or something); generally most dungeon layouts omit what's overhead for obvious logistic reasons.

5. Walls (and floors) that include crystal veins or other geological features would make neat add-ons.

6. A narrow passage piece (walls on both sides, just a 1" corridor between) would be nice.

7. A "natural stairway" created by uneven layers of sedimentary stone, that could provide a way up to:

8. A natural raised platform. Depending on the design, such a platform might be created by using the regular walls / freestanding walls / stalagmites plus regular floor pieces (especially if there's a larger size floor available).

9. A dead end niche / grotto that could be used either at the end of a passage, or in between two wall pieces.

10. For "dressings" : rock falls; mine works stuff (columns/shored up tunnel entrance, mine carts, loads of ore); fumaroles and small lava pits; half-high stone slabs / boulders that could provide cover and hiding places; secret door versions of natural walls (would LOVE some of these).

Okay, I guess that's a big enough list!
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#55713
Re:Caverns Kickstarter - Wish List 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
I have to admitit. As I read most of these posts all I see is:

"blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah FREE STANDING WALLS blah blah blah blah blah blah"

It's not because all of you aren't coming up with brilliant suggestions (YOU ARE!!!), it's just cuz I have blinders on :-)
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#55714
Re:Caverns Kickstarter - Wish List 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
The one thing I would like to see would be for the cavern floors to be more natural and uneven looking. The one thing that's always bothered me about almost all cavern tiles I've seen is the distinct grid laid out on the floor. They look like someone went into the cavern and laid down a floor in it. I understand the need to have the grid and don't advocate getting rid of it, but it would be nice if the floors were a bit more uneven and natural looking and the grid was deemphasized more.
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#55715
Re:Caverns Kickstarter - Wish List 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
Another point in the favor of freestanding walls is that each 2x2 corner/angle piece would need a matching partial floor to create walls in the middle of a cavern. The more variety, the more required partial floors. That could become impractical quite fast...

...unless those partial floors doubled as lake/chasm edges...

Hmm.
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#55716
Re:Caverns Kickstarter - Wish List 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
Alarian wrote:
I understand the need to have the grid and don't advocate getting rid of it, but it would be nice if the floors were a bit more uneven and natural looking and the grid was deemphasized more.


Actually, the grid is almost superfluous on 2x2 floor pieces.

The even surface is not. If you expect to use miniatures with DF caverns, they need smooth, even, flat surfaces. Especially for miniatures whose center of gravity is even a bit high or off center. Or miniatures that have small bases. Some minis are precarious enough without purposely making the terrain artfully uneven.
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#55721
Re:Caverns Kickstarter - Wish List 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
Some great stuff here! keep em coming! Going to start sculpting soon! I am really really excited to do this with Casey, we may even go to a Cavern in Indiana to get pumped!
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#55722
Re:Caverns Kickstarter - Wish List 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
I'm wondering if the side of normal floor pieces can somehow be sculpted so that they would already look like shore/chasm pieces without affecting the overall appearance of top cavern floors. This way, straight shore/chasm pieces would not be needed anymore, only concave and convex curved pieces to allow making river bends...
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#55723
Re:Caverns Kickstarter - Wish List 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
I've always imagined the edges of a shore/chasm piece would be fairly steep, not only to minimize unusable floor space, but to prevent warp and fragility at the edges.

Vertical floor-sides would also make it easier to make accessories (DF production or home mods) that match up to the edges, like clear/tinted plastic water pieces.
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#55842
Re:Caverns Kickstarter - Wish List 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
What about some floor and wall with floor pieces as shore/chasm pieces?

Such as a 2x2 flattish cavern wall piece would be two piece.

One piece would be a wall with sort of half squares and a rough chasm edge and the other piece would be a sort of 1x2 piece with one rough chasm edge that fit right up to the chasm edge on the wall piece. Next together they would look like a cave with a crack in the floor. Spread apart they they could look like a large crack with blackness below or spread a little more and they would look like a straight river with blueish clear water running through or spread a little more and use a dark green background to get the cave river we are all use to.

Do the same with inside and outside cavern corners that are not the same as the regular ones and we get cavern variety and chasm options.
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#55844
Re:Caverns Kickstarter - Wish List 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
Several people have suggested that the backsides of irregular walls be sculpted to double as chasm/river edges - i think this idea is absolutely genius! Kudos to Null who i believe was the first to propose the idea.

I have played around a bit with tile designs and it quickly becomes overwhelming. Dungeons are easy with their straight walls, caverns present a whole different set of challenges as each irregular piece requires a mirror image piece. I am very curious to see what those smarter than me come up with!
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#55847
Re:Caverns Kickstarter - Wish List 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
Caverns are going to be quite a design challenge. I'm speculating that the efficiencies of scale involved with molds and materials may limit the total variety of pieces to not many more than the previous Kickstarter. Now take into account the extra variety required just for a "basic" set of 2x2 caverns, and you see how having pieces do double or triple duty could help.

Of course, Stefan could start sculpting and realize that some of these ideas just won't work. He also surely has a better idea of what can be molded in Dwarvenite - and at what cost - than we do. I expect compromises will have to be made. Still, he's clever enough that I'm sure whatever we get will be the best it can be.

I was wondering if any owners of resin Caverns could supply outlines of their bases, fit to a grid, for reference. As a DF newb, I have no such pieces to refer to.
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#55848
Re:Caverns Kickstarter - Wish List 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
As a possible stretch goal bonus or add-on, cavern pieces with sci-fi accessories.

Possible pieces might include:
- a control console on/in a straight wall
- pipes/conduits coming out of the floor and into the wall of a straight wall, with dials or gauges
- a furnace grate set into the seam of the floor and wall on/in a straight wall
- an accessory column that looks like a bio/cryo tube
- an accessory piece generator

Done as futuristic sci-fi, they might do for various sci-fi and modern spy games. Done as steam punk retro sci-fi, they might do for various pulp, steam punk, and fantasy games.

I would do them as isolated pieces, without connections, so that they can be placed together or separately in a cavern set-up.
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