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#51808
Painting and Varnishing the unpainted tiles... 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
So I'm new to Dwarven Forge tiles, but I'm a VERY old hand at painting miniatures, so I feel confident about getting the unpainted tiles and painting them myself. I understand that in the videos on painting the tiles, its mentioned that you use reaper paints. No problem. The concern I have is that you guys make no mention of the varnish you use to seal them and protect the paints. I know different varnishes can have different effects, depending on the material (I'm not sure if any varnishes will react badly to "dwarvenite").

Any chance you guys could give us some details on what varnish you use and the process you use to apply it? I don't want my paint job to spoil or get damaged, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys!!

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#51814
Re:Painting and Varnishing the unpainted tiles... 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
Welcome to the Df forum Arravis! There`s a lot of old-timer painters around here, including me.

Stefan did not use a primer nor a varnish. The paint sticks very well to PVC/dwarvenite. Jeff`s youtube video where he gets to run with a truck over a straight wall piece, drop pieces from various heights, etc... was done with unvarnished pieces!
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#51824
Re:Painting and Varnishing the unpainted tiles... 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
I can understand no primer, but you need some kind of varnish to protect the paint. Acrylics are very prone to flaking and in the heavy use I plan to use these, I think it's completely necessary to have some kind of protective coating on them for it to be in any way practical. It's very clear that Dwarven Forge's own tiles ARE varnished. It was mentioned directly here that the early Chamber of Sorrows image was "unvarnished":
www.kickstarter.com/projects/dwarvenforge/dwarven-forges-game-tiles-revolutionary-miniature/posts/466137
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#51827
Re:Painting and Varnishing the unpainted tiles... 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
Look at the following video:



These were NOT varnished and there was NO paint scratches. Acrylics are very prone to flaking on metal, apparently not on Dwarven Forge`s dwarvenite nor Reaper`s Bones.

If you absolutely want to varnish your pieces, go ahead! To protect the pieces I painted (mostly small resin and metal, not PVC/Dwarvenite), I use Krylon Triple-Thick Crystal Clear Glaze (Spray can) followed by Testor`s all purpose dullcote (Spray can). This is the best mix I found to have (1) a fast application (spray can), (2) be durable (triple thick) while having a (3) matt appearance (Testor`s, at the end). If you are to varnish multiple Game Tiles Sets, I would not suggest to use Testor`s dullcote, as it is a rather small spray can.
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#51830
Re:Painting and Varnishing the unpainted tiles... 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
I'm not seeing in that video where they say they aren't varnished... did I miss something?

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#51904
Re:Painting and Varnishing the unpainted tiles... 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
So I'm looking at the images, and it's VERY clear that there IS a varnish. There's no way to look at these before and after shots and not think that.

Is there any chance I can get a straight answer on this issue?

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#51915
Re:Painting and Varnishing the unpainted tiles... 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
Arravis,

I think Stefan only can answer your question. I think he`s VERY busy during the last hours of the ks but he will probably give you an answer soon enough.
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#51921
Re:Painting and Varnishing the unpainted tiles... 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
I'm just very concerned that I'm in for $400 worth of unpainted KS tiles and I keep second-guessing my decision if I should have gotten the pre-painted ones.

I am an experienced miniature painter (been painting since 1980, yeah, I'm an old geezer :P), and I have seen first hand the damage wear and tear has on miniatures, especially unprotected ones. Even those that are varnished will chip in time if they are commonly used. I also have enough experience to know that the material of the product and the varnish can work together in disastrous ways. Finally, I just can't imagine that there isn't any protective coating on the tiles... I've seen the sturdiness video and unprotected paint would come off. I just don't see how it wouldn't given my experience.

My gaming budget is limited by the realities of life: wife out of work, mortgage, taking care of the family, etc. I don't want to make a bad investment (ie the unpainted tiles, if they will flake and damage over time) and I want to make sure my gaming group gets the most out of this set, since we have all chipped in together for it. Of course, that's not even taking into account the massive amount of time it'll take to hand-paint all of these myself (which I enjoy doing, but it is a lot of time).

I know there's enough time to change my order to the painted set if I find out that there are any issues with varnishing (or not varnishing, as it may be). So I'm stressing :P.

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#51923
Re:Painting and Varnishing the unpainted tiles... 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
The only reason Stefan used a varnish for Chamber of Sorrows is to give it a wet-look and some tinting.

I'm quite sure that most if not all Dwarven Forge sets are not varnished/sealed. Yet the paint is fine some 15 years later.

You can varnish seal your stuff if you want, but I don't think any of the sets come that way. Again, Chamber of Sorrows has this to give the blood a wet look.
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#51934
Re:Painting and Varnishing the unpainted tiles... 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
Before I comment on the painting topic.....it is awesome to watch the total climb the last couple hours of the Kicdkstarter. Really....

1-this is more of a painting wishlist....I noticed Stefan uses Reaper paints in his Video....I use Reaper for most of my mini painting. Wouldn't be awesome if Stefan could get reaper to make up paints to match the paint in the first and second drybrush colors, as well as the second stone color? Then we would not have to try our hand at mixing all the time.

2-As a protective finish, my favorite is Armory Clear Matte Sealer...it is not as matte as Dulcote, but ends up about the same as an eggshell finish. And it comes in a nice big can for a really good price.
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#51949
Re:Painting and Varnishing the unpainted tiles... 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
I think the remaining open question (now that the auction is over and before Stefan answers) is:

Q. Are there 'flexible' varnishes available to buy that both protect, can add a matt or 'wet' look and will stay affixed even on an item that is made from a bendable substance like dwarvenite ??

It would be good to hear from people who have direct experience (Who paint plastic miniatures etc that inherently have flex) and can list the manufacturer and name of such products..

..we all have months to perfect painting and lets not forget that Stefan will be making very detailed videos.
He may even touch on the 'Lost Souls' subject. ??

I hope Reaper realise just how much business DF are sending their way. Bulk buy paint now !! ;)
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#51959
Re:Painting and Varnishing the unpainted tiles... 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'm ok with maybe, 5 years down the road, having to take 60 seconds to touch up a drybrush job on a *stone wall*.

Which, if it flakes, will only show dark Dungeon Grey under it anyway...

Which will look just like the rest of the cracks that are "supposed" to be there...

It will literally take me longer to get out my paint and brushes than to repaint a tile, in the unlikely event I should ever need or want to.

Given ALL of that, I'll probably hit them with a matte spray coat and call it a day. I'm not losing sleep over it, that's for sure.
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