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#51413
Re:Straight passage Kickstarter Stretch Goal? 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
sydcomebak, You're getting me confused once again.

Could you tell us in which possible circumstance one person would use your fiddly bit weird diagonal floors such as here:



When one can simply make the exact same setup using pieces already present in the Game Tiles Set:



In other words, I believe there is no need to design pieces to reconstruct modularity when there is no need to break it in the first place.
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#51414
Re:Straight passage Kickstarter Stretch Goal? 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
badaxegames, Welcome to the Df forum!

Yes, by removing a 1*2 floor section of a straight wall piece and assembling two shortened wall pieces, you could do yourself a Straight Narrow Piece as proposed in this thread by jackattack. An even simpler solution, be patient until DF releases a Game Tiles Passage Set and buy it. ;-)
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#51415
Re:Straight passage Kickstarter Stretch Goal? 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
I think that we all should wait until Stefan comes out with the passage set. I would imagine with the success of this kickstarter that we will see it within a year. The pieces are still useful and to be honest you can work around it via numerous ways that have been suggested. I personally like stefan's design and the idea that the pieces are unique and not easy to confuse with room pieces. I am ok that 2 of the pieces would only be used for passages. That is the point of a passage set. I would like to have the piece that jack attack mentions also in the set. So 5 unique molds a number of each etc in the next set. We can have "trap" pieces and stair pieces as addons for the next kickstarter or something.

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#51420
Re:Straight passage Kickstarter Stretch Goal? 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
Please take this in the spirit it's intended:

She wouldn't happen to have a single older sister, would she?
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#51428
Re:Straight passage Kickstarter Stretch Goal? 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
I still like this solution....we already have the filler pieces (advanced builder 2 set) to put against the outside of the passages...although we would probably redo them in dwarvenite...the shapes would be the same...we could come out with spacial passage pieces with doors or passages in them to...if we really wanted, we could include a little tiny triangle to fill that small gap, perhaps make it into a sort of standing angel or such, it would look nice...
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#51429
Re:Straight passage Kickstarter Stretch Goal? 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
BioWizard, Why do you insist upon placing the filler pieces behind the passages when it's not used space?



But, if you wanted to, you could put the filler piece behind a passage piece and use it for a room piece.

The same thing for the curved or diagonal walls already included. the filler pieces are there for using them as interior walls. If it's exterior, they don't get used.
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#51430
Re:Straight passage Kickstarter Stretch Goal? 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
After looking at Stefan's image I think I can see why he is concerned about confusing some newer users and wants them to play with the current stuff first. I think the solution shown on his image is also a good one. I am looking forward to updates about future resin and dwarvenite products down the road. The big question (which I can understand if they do not want to answer just yet): will they do more kickstarters to jumpstart new dwarvenite lines?
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#51444
Re:Straight passage Kickstarter Stretch Goal? 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
Sydcomebak, I think you misunderstand me. If you want the space beside a full 2-tiles wide corridor to be a room (and not empty space), you don't use Passage pieces in the first place! You simply use the basic 4 pieces already included in the KS Game Tiles and therefore do not even need to consider designing weird angled floor pieces.
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#51447
Re:Straight passage Kickstarter Stretch Goal? 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
Good to read Stefan's post.

Only one point was semi-open. The one that covers the topic of the 'New planned dwarvenite corridors' and how they abut to room pieces.

I for one am not a fan of 'V' gaps. The party are forever trying to 'look or shoot through them' and I inevitably use curves and not diagonals in more situations because of that..
(Alleviated somewhat with the triangle floor tile that allows me to alternate orientation of the Diagonal walls - but you all know what I mean..)

When Stefan says :
"if we really wanted, we could include a little tiny triangle to fill that small gap, perhaps make it into a sort of standing angel or such, it would look nice..."

Yes Please!

Angels / columns / even a snug corner attached iron torch holder... (Torches can be added later)
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#51450
Re:Straight passage Kickstarter Stretch Goal? 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
That's actually three triangular inserts, cos if you need to put the square end of a B passage against either end of an A passage, you get a smaller triangle -- and this one is directional (left and right) so you need two inserts.

Same thing happens if you have to put an A passage at a room opening, cornered to straight wall pieces.

Plus, you can't put two Ds together to create a dogleg, nor can you put down D-C-D to create a Y (or upsilon), because of the triangular flanges.

You can't put a single B between any two intersections, because the triangular flanges on a C or D can't occupy the same space as the squared end of the B.

Which means that this design asks for three more space fillers than the original passage design (in addition to all four (?) special floor tiles to put rooms on the other sides of the walls) and it restricts which pieces can go with which pieces (creating the jigsaw puzzle problem of many of the proposed designs).

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Now, if DF were to offer the new design passage pieces, with all of the Advanced Builder conversion pieces and three triangular gap fillers, as a single set... that might work. (If they do, I hope they consider packaging the original MM resin pieces the same way.)

But the Passages Set went away. If it went away because it didn't sell, will this version fare any better? Why?

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Here's another possible solution. If narrow passages aren't the answer, has anyone considered wide passage?

There are still gaps at the outside/convex corners of intersections, but no different than when you make an L-shaped room. If a filler is desired, a single thin square column will fill every gap.

Passages certainly take up more room on the table this way, but there is more room for miniatures between the walls.

This would require four large molds, period. The placement of the walls means that no conversion pieces for the other side of the walls are necessary. Plus, the corner, T, and X pieces can be used in standard rooms, making them useful in layouts that don't have passages.

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#51452
Re:Straight passage Kickstarter Stretch Goal? 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
Interesting points. I certainly have to bow to your experience with the product. Some things may do much better in dwarvenite than in resin since they can have either more pieces for the same price or a lower price.

I can't recall if it was actually stated anywhere, but isn't dwarvenite also lighter than the resin pieces? Also, given the durability difference, dwarvenite pieces can be shipped with less packaging and more economically. Offering a less expensive shipping option will also affect what the market will bear. I am excited to see what Stefan and Jeff try down the road and wish them the best any which way!
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#51454
Re:Straight passage Kickstarter Stretch Goal? 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
Another picture, showing combinations and gaps (red circles).



It just seems that if modularity, ease of use, and cost are the major selling points of Dwarvenite, DF should be looking for simple solutions and minimizing the number of pieces needed to do very basic things. The fewer basic pieces these sets need, the more "dress" pieces can be included and afforded. Sometimes the most creative approach, while possibly more gratifying, may not be the most practical solution or the most economical.

The first thing DF should do is compile all of these suggestions, figure out how much the molds for ALL of the pieces required (including ABS-type conversions and fillers) would cost for each, and figure out how much the sets would cost. Compare the totals, especially where more than one set might be required.

Then they should count the number of different pieces, and multiply by the number of pieces that can only be used in conjunction with one other piece plus the number of pieces that can't be used next to another specific piece. Compare the scores.
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