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#50203
Should I purchase some of the Kickstarter sets? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
Don't get me wrong, I think it's awesome that the kickstarter is going well, and anything that gets DF more attention is great!

However, as someone that has so many of the basic room sets that they don't get all used, ever, I'm wondering if I should buy any? It looks like these are basically the room set pieces, redone in the new material and less expensive. If I'm going to be dropping cash, it's probably better for me to get some Hellscape 2 sets.

Or am I missing something?
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#50205
Re:Should I purchase some of the Kickstarter sets? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
I've been watching the excitement and wondering the same thing. I love DF products but have pretty much maxed out my storage space on sets awhile back (30 sets or so from all the lines).

If I were starting as a new collector this seems like a terrific deal and entry. Since I already have a couple of R&P sets and a bunch of expansions I'm not sure I would find them needed. But that's probably not the main target of the kickstarter campaign (long-time existing collectors).

But man that clip of Stefan scooping the pieces willy nilly into a backpack...if there was anything that might get me to bite on a couple of sets it would be the convenience of not having to be so careful about storage and transportation.

Overall though -- big congrats to DF. What a success in such a short time! I will probably donate a small amount on kickstarter just to show my support and thanks for producing such an enjoyable line of products.

--David
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#50206
Re:Should I purchase some of the Kickstarter sets? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
pfworks, there's no shame in not buying a bunch of the sets if you don't need them. I understand the desire to help out DF, but you can still chip in $1, $10, or $25 to help out without spending money on sets you basically already have.

That being said, it's not a horrible idea to pick up some of the unpainted sets. Even though they'll be available on the store at a later date, the pricing is amazing, and this would allow you to easily paint, customize, and modify the basic set to look like whatever you want. Plus, as Purplesaber pointed out, they are extremely durable.
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#50207
Re:Should I purchase some of the Kickstarter sets? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
I also have 10 or so basic room and room and passage sets which is more then enough for me (link). The Game Tiles Set has a slightly different sculpt (rounded stones piled up vs sculpted stones that more or less look like bricks) but I don't think the change is drastic enough that we would see a real difference between the atmosphere provided by both Sets.

Here are a few reasons I can think of for a veteran DF collector to invest in Game Tiles:
-Fullfill addiction (not a logical reason but valid for many of us nonetheless)
-Increase to "insane levels" the amount of classical pieces you have for very high versatility or MEGA dungeon crawls.
-The increased durability of the pieces could be appealing to people needing to move easily without special care their collection (or part of their collection) to friends or gaming club.
-Make sure to own each and every piece ever produced by DF for the collectionability factor.
-Obtain the unpainted version to be able to paint these in a fashionably different pattern (eldorado, slimmy dungeon, black and white, astral pink fairy... whatever) while not regretting too much your money if you actually ruin the pieces.

IMO, unless you satisfy one of those reasons, you should indeed go Hellscape II. I guess you money invested there will help support DF just as well as the kickstarter. The kickstarter helps building the fan base for DF, but you and I are obviously already fans!
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#50208
Re:Should I purchase some of the Kickstarter sets? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
I suppose BioWizard already covered it, but yes, i would imagine the top 3 main reasons for existing collectors to buy Game Tiles would be to:

1) increase their basic collection tremendously at much lower cost

2) have collection of basic dungeons to easily take to Cons or to let your kid play with without worry:)

3) buy the unpainted ones and paint them up differently...this is the first time we are offering unpainted sets! have fun! imagine a more Roman style look? it could be a whole new area of your dungeon...or even a sandstone type look...these walls were made to look more like they were chiseled rather than laid down...
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#50209
Re:Should I purchase some of the Kickstarter sets? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
As a long time addict collector of Dwarven Forge I am so happy and thrilled this Kickstarter does well. I support the Kickstarter with "only" 10$ because I don't need more classic room sets even though my own sets are all with bow ties and I do plan to change that someday. But there are so many other sets I want to buy by the dozen before that... ;)
So for me it will be the Hellscape II set, I think. And no, you can't do any wrong when you decide to buy some other amazing set from Dwarven Forge instead of Game Tiles. It all supports the right company. :)

Stefan said earlier that the Game Tiles will be directed primarily to new gamers. And now we know why. Most of us long time collectors already have a great collection of classic sets. That does not make this Kickstarter any less awesome. New collectors secure the continued existence of Dwarven Forge and the production of new awesome sets. That is perfect for everyone.

So in my humble opinion it does not matter what you buy from Dwarven Forge. Every set you buy supports Dwarven Forge and makes your game more awesome. Win-Win. :)
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#50211
Re:Should I purchase some of the Kickstarter sets? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
2) have collection of basic dungeons to easily take to Cons or to let your kid play with without worry:)
3) buy the unpainted ones and paint them up differently...this is the first time we are offering unpainted sets! have fun! imagine a more Roman style look? it could be a whole new area of your dungeon...or even a sandstone type look...these walls were made to look more like they were chiseled rather than laid down...

Since I'm in luck and all my games happen at my place I don't need to travel with my collection. That was different in the beginning and I see the merit in the new material used for game tiles. I think it's awesome that gamers are more mobile with them.
For me point 3 is a great one. To paint the new dungeon which also looks slightly different than the classic line in a complete different color scheme is a very intriguing idea. Oh man, now I'm no longer sure if it will be Hellscape II next...maybe it will be Game Tiles...
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#50233
Re:Should I purchase some of the Kickstarter sets? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
It is good to have such frank conversations on these forums.
I also went through all the same stages of questioning.
Sure - I was going to 'donate' - To show support regardless. For The great hobby that is FRPing. But was I going to pledge $20 or $120+ and enough to 'buy' sets ??
I dwelled on that question all through the build up to the KS campaign.

I too have several Basic Room sets and several Room and Passage sets. I rarely get out more than 1 Basic Room set as there are so many duplicated pieces in the Room and Passage sets.
However. I decided last year that I like the 'difference' of look.
I was very late to get into the 'Realm of the Ancient' Sets... I finally got them because they look 'different'. So once I knew that the new Tiles would be available (a) painted. (b). Look different to the original sets and (c) fully compatible... It became an easy 'yes' for me.

In the end, my logic is thus:
I bought 'Realm of the Ancient' Sets. So I will buy and happily use some of these new Tile sets.
(Whilst I do not have any of the Den of Evil sets. If I did, I would use the same logic)
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#50267
Re:Should I purchase some of the Kickstarter sets? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
I have more than enough room sets as well, but I am looking at this as a good opportunity to pick up the unpainted sets to do my own painting and converting with. Haven't done too much repainting of existing sets yet other than this "checkerboard room" for my last convention game, but I have plenty of ideas.

The new unpainted sets should provide a great converting opportunity for collectors who already have big collections.


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#50346
Re:Should I purchase some of the Kickstarter sets? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
I also have enough original dungeon pieces to cover my entire basement, and I have a huge gaming basement. My plan is similar to others; buy the unpainted Kickstarter sets so I can brush them to add a different style to my collection. The new walls are more like bricks than stone so I'll most likely create a bunch for some "civilized" settings such as throne rooms, palace rooms, elitist decor, exotic locales, etc.
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#50352
Re:Should I purchase some of the Kickstarter sets? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
Like Many others on here I also own 30+ sets already, but I backed this on the first day. Why?
1. To support a company that has drastically changed how we all play the game.

2. In my thinking this will help provide him more capital in order to better restock the stuff I do want and have been waiting for quite a while to get.

3. Then the discussion on being able to repaint these for different themes, this really excites me as before my rooms were limited by Dwarven Forge's imagination, now they are only limited by mine.

I was a bit dissappointed that the stretch goals were just more of the same though, I had hoped it would be new and unique items but understand that they are trying to build a new client base not appeal to us older customers so much.
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#50358
Re:Should I purchase some of the Kickstarter sets? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
I'm actually quite pleased by the simplicity of this kickstarter.

I have seen some kickstarters where it seemed like the stretch goals were tiered, requiring supporters to pledge more and more to qualify for the rewards. DF's is a nice flat system that doesn't make me rethink my support level every time they hit a new stretch goal.

As for stretch goals being more of the same, the nature of the product limits DF's ability to create more new pieces for stretch goals. Each mold for the new tiles costs $10,000! For a set with four unique pieces (and a surprise fifth), that suggests that the molds cost $20K to $50K up front. Plus the costs of manufacture and shipping on the back end. And the original goal was only $50K!

Every extra piece makes your original contribution a bigger bargain, even if it is "just" more of the same. And there are no unique pieces reserved for the biggest contributors -- everybody who qualifies for extra pieces gets the same pieces.

I hope that DF makes enough profit from this to restructure their finances to best advantage.

I suspect that this entire endeavor was an experiment, and a risky one at that. (I won't speculate how risky, but I think Stefan and Jeff set off metal detectors when they go to the airport.) Jkratzer first suggested pledges well over six years ago, before Kickstarter and Indiegogo and the rest, and it has come up a time or two since in various guises. As an experiment, DF has kept it very simple to minimize risks, and to avoid making any first-timer mistakes that might render the entire thing a zero-sum endeavor.

Instead of trying to change this kickstarter, let's make suggestions for any future kickstarters DF might run. And I don't mean suggesting new tiles, tell them what you look for in stretch goals (dollar amounts, more of the same, new pieces, etc.).
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