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#8982
New Poll: What should the first Sci-Fi Accessories set be? 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
YC!

Man, I gotta hand it to you; when you Dream big, you dream BIG!
The first 6 suggestions, I've seen from others, including myself on some of them.
But those last 4, except parts of #7 (SF-wicked additions); WOW and WOW AGAIN!
Yeah, you're right about #10 definitely being a separate line; I dunno about #9 (downbelow). It certainly shows that you're an old B5-er like Sandy & me. #8, the Tech caverns; THAT sounds VERY interesting. I think we need to wheedle Stefan into something like that as soon as SF furnishings (the one RF* has been clamoring about for @25 years)(Sorry, RabidFox*; I HAD to get a little dig in at you, you HAVE been rather . . . rabid about it.) is completed.
A Tech-cavern set is EXACTLY what is needed to connect MM Dungeon/Fantasy, Cavern, and Sci-Fi together. I'm not sure exactly how it should look, maybe something kinda 'Borg-y' looking, where high-tech gizmo stuff starts spreading, fungus-like, over cavern walls. Am I being clear enough?
Damn, now you've got ME thinking about it; I may have to try some stuff with some spare cavern pieces I have sitting in one of the drawerfuls from my last post up in Cool Photos!
Way to go, YC!

See ya!

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#8983
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YC!

Man, I gotta hand it to you; when you Dream big, you dream BIG!

Why bother dreaming if you don't dream big? :)

I know a lot of that stuff is a long shot, but hey, it could happen.

Yes, I am an old B5er (and very sad at the apparent death of the franchise with recent projects failing to come to fruition and the loss of the irreplacable Andreas Katsulas.) So, my Downbelow idea comes from that, definitely, but I would be happy with anything that gives a gritty look to the sci-fi sets. Something like the terraformers' colony in the movie Aliens, if you will.

For the tech caverns, I was thinking more along the lines of cavern pieces with sci-fi consoles and pipes and suchlike built into them. But a more biotech look like you suggest would be very cool.

It's fun to think "what if". I can't wait to see what the next set is for real. :)
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#8984
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Actually, we can ASK for whatever we want, whenever we want. That's the beauty of this forum: no one limits the ideas and suggestions that are posted here. No one official, anyway. What we can EXPECT is up to Dwarven Forge, based on the suggestions of everyone and their own impressions of what will sell. One thing's guaranteed, though: if we don't ask for it, chances are good we won't get it.
The issue here YC is are you saying that the items you mention would be nice to have made some day by Dwarven Forge?
[b]OR[/b] are you going on that you want these things right now, bedamn the consequences to Dwarven Forge or what will enable the Master Maze lines to successfully continue?
Some persons here, as you well know YC, have made the second choice and serious trouble has resulted from that uncontrolled selfishness!

What I am speaking of here YC is the use and the display of self-control on the forum as to asking for huge lists of things and then getting others whipped up into a frenzy for the items.
YC, we, especially the Master Maze veterans here, must couch our interesting "Wish Lists" as such blatantly so as to avoid debacles like the MapMaker one or ones even worse that I have seen destroy other companies in the industry.

Do you understand YC?
I am not trying to control your free expressions or whatever label you want to use; I just do not want any more debacles here [b]AND[/b] I want Dwarven Forge to survive a good long time so that it can continue to provide all of us quality terrain to play with.

...

Does anyone else have something they want to ask for? I know you do! Speak up and you might just get it!

:)

Please state what you want here and elsewhere as wish lists folks, for all of the above reasons!

YC is right; we might get the items, eventually.
I know there was a multi-year campaign by a number of us to get Sci-Fi Master Maze, and it has started to appear.

I just ask that everyone please post your wish lists as such and do not turn it into some on-line campaign to try to force Dwarven Forge into doing something you want made.
The MapMaker debacle was enough of that for this company and its customers for all of our lifetimes.
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SF: Starter(3), Passage(2), Alpha(7), Beta(2) someday soon;
Cavern: Cavern, Cavernous Passages, many individual pieces, Cavernous River & Wall and Cavernous Lake someday soon;
Fantasy: Room & Passages, Room, Octagonal Room, Wicked Additions I&II, Adv. Builder, Diagonal Walls Set, Dungeon Accessories, Medieval Furniture, many individual pieces.
 
#8985
New Poll: What should the first Sci-Fi Accessories set be? 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
YC & Jim,

Bab5 was great and one of the great things about it was that you were not on the bridge of some starship every last second you could.
Shoot, some episodes you never even saw the CIC!
Plus, the show showed how adventures could involve all sorts of rooms, including the continual display of the casts' personal quarters.

I just wished the Gro-Pos were shown more.
Gro-Pos, whether standard or spec-ops, are what really take and hold the ground.
Every other speciality only helps out!!

It would be nice if Joe got off his butt and finished out B5: Crusade with a channel like Sci-Fi.
I still think the fans would want to follow it for a few more years.
Even with Richard Biggs (Dr. Stephan Franklin) dead, the B5 Universe can still continue.
I wished I had been able to go to the charity luncheon for his family last year; Rick was a great guy.

What would also be cool would be if shows like Buck Rogers and Space 1999 (to only name two classics) made comebacks.
Dr. Who is on Sci-Fi!

Anyway, you list YC looks fairly good.
Hopefully, most will be made, eventually, in that modular fashion you spoke of earlier.
Ogre's Den was such a bust with the Dwarven Forge users I know.
I know 38 users in nine states and only 23 have the Den.
Too limited in its applicability!
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SF: Starter(3), Passage(2), Alpha(7), Beta(2) someday soon;
Cavern: Cavern, Cavernous Passages, many individual pieces, Cavernous River & Wall and Cavernous Lake someday soon;
Fantasy: Room & Passages, Room, Octagonal Room, Wicked Additions I&II, Adv. Builder, Diagonal Walls Set, Dungeon Accessories, Medieval Furniture, many individual pieces.
 
#8986
New Poll: What should the first Sci-Fi Accessories set be? 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
The issue here YC is are you saying that the items you mention would be nice to have made some day by Dwarven Forge?
[b]OR[/b] are you going on that you want these things right now, bedamn the consequences to Dwarven Forge or what will enable the Master Maze lines to successfully continue?

I had thought the answer to that was self-evident, but for the sake of clarity, it is definitely the former. Also, I truly believe that the vast majority of suggestions on the boards are made in that same spirit.

My philosophy on the whole thing is this: If we make suggestions about the sites we, as Master Maze users, would like to see, we're providing important feedback to Jeff and Stefan about the kinds of products we will purchase in the future. Once they have that feedback, they can do what they want with it. In the end, only they know all the variables that govern the production of their products, and if they weigh our wants against which of those wants are most viable and how much money they can make by producing those products, then the company and all the product lines that go with it will continue and thrive.

Though this forum is quite egalitarian, it by no means makes the company a democracy. Our suggestions are exactly that, and though we all hope that our suggestions will help inform the company's business decisions, in the end those decisions are not ours to make.

Yes, we want what we want, but no one here is going to suggest we kill the goose that lays the golden eggs to get it.

I think that the reason people aren't couching their wish lists more blatantly is that it's assumed that that's how they will be taken. I've never seen any indication to the contrary from Jeff and Stefan. Hopefully some or all of what we suggest will become reality in time, but I think everyone here knows that there are no guarantees.
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#8987
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What would also be cool would be if shows like Buck Rogers and Space 1999 (to only name two classics) made comebacks.
Wouldn't it be great if they brought back Space: 1999 and still called it Space: 1999? I'd watch it just for the sheer stones it would take to pull that off. As for Buck Rogers, you're never going to beat Erin Gray in that skintight white jumpsuit, so why even bother? :)

B5 was fantastic in the way it handled character interactions, and really developed arcs for all the characters, and not just a few main players. It was groundbreaking in a lot of other ways, and remains one of my favorite shows of all time. Crusade was unfortunate, but the problems there were with Warner Brothers, not with JMS. They own the rights, so we're pretty much screwed. I really want them to resolve that story, preferably in a graphic novel or two, but I'm not holding my breath.

I met Richard Biggs once, and though his character was the one I liked least on the show, I can definitely agree that he was a very nice guy. He, along with Katsulas, will be missed.
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#8988
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Yes, we want what we want, but no one here is going to suggest we kill the goose that lays the golden eggs to get it.
Have you read some of the ideas recently proferred on a couple of the threads?
Some here have said that Dwarven Forge to succeed, they must leave their niche of interiors.
They have said if Dwarven Forge does not, it will not last.
That advocates the excessive spreading of the very few resources that Dwarven Forge possesses; that to me is the advocation of killing the "golden goose" YC.
Some people just refuse to understand that even GW and Hasbro were not what they are now only ten years in.
Dwarven Forge has much growth to go before it can just throw around funds like those two can.

I think that the reason people aren't couching their wish lists more blatantly is that it's assumed that that's how they will be taken. I've never seen any indication to the contrary from Jeff and Stefan. Hopefully some or all of what we suggest will become reality in time, but I think everyone here knows that there are no guarantees.
But YC, some persons who have been with us [b]DO[/b] go off the deep end.
The MapMaker fiasco/debacle/etc. was a perfect example of persons thinking they could dictate to Dwarven Forge how to behave and what to manufacture.

I really do think that any list presented as long as some have been, really do need to be blatantly pointed out as Wish/It Would Be Nice/etc. lists.
Too many times we have endured the ridiculous ire of persons who took it as a personal affront that Dwarven Forge did not perform as they felt that they had so dictated.

I am sure YC that you and the others here who had to endure that Map Maker incident can understand why it might be on the wise side to be blatant with our lists so as to avoid such a nasty situation ever again.
Yes?

**

BTW, would you like me to make a second half to the Sci-Fi accessory thread for the different Sci-Fi rooms we all would like to make sure we receive accessories and maybe even special Master Maze pieces we would like made with such rooms?

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As far as Space: 1999, maybe the new title could be Space: 2099, yes?
Personally, I am very disappointed with what we Americans have done to our space program over the last 25 years.
We have gotten too fixated on our own personal pleasures and have lost a considerable amount of our pioneer spirit.
Some even say the American manned space program was a waste of money in the '60s and '70s while they enjoy their velcro, personal computers, cell phones and digital watches among many other products that are direct results of the Apollo and Gemini manned space programs.

When I was younger back in 1981, by 2006 we were projected to have:
1) the Belt up - a whole chain of solar power satellites belting the globe to provide most of the power for the Earth. Instead we have nothing up;
2) the 8-9th Anniversary of the establishment of Goddard Base - a permanent manned American moon base at Crater Goddard upon the Moon. Instead we have nothing there and have almost no desire at all from the masses to return;
3) American Space Stations Freedom and Independence would have been around ten and five years old respectively and Space Station Liberty would be drawing to completion. Instead Independence and Liberty have been cancelled, and Freedom is the still uncompleted ISS.
4) the manned flight to Mars, the Ares Mission, would be close to departing, if not already departed, from Freedom or Independence. Instead we might get to Mars by 2015 - if we are LUCKY!!!
5) the O'Neill complex would be celebrating its third anniversary with a population of 250,000+ this year. The O'Neill complex is a living & manufacturing center at the LaGrange Point 5 between the Earth and the Moon. Instead we are at very least fifteen years from that.
6+) And so forth.
A whole vast series of disappointments because too many Americans want all of their taxes to vanish and if not that, then be spent on themselves directly.
Plus, the wackoes from around the world are not helping the situation requiring the spending of so much American resources upon defense.

On the other hand, at the rate things are going, the Chinese will be on the Moon before we get back there.
That might well be a scary proposition.

YC, as far as Buck Rogers, the jump suit and Erin Gray, there are currently a few actresses that could pick up the part and carry it off well.
I will not mention any names; THAT is an argument I definitely do not want to get into!

Without Katsulas, G'Kar can still continue; he is Narn.
There was enough make-up involved that a change in actor would not be glaring.
With most of the Earthers, the Centauri and the Minbari, it would be a much different story.
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#8989
New Poll: What should the first Sci-Fi Accessories set be? 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Have you read some of the ideas recently proferred on a couple of the threads?
Some here have said that Dwarven Forge to succeed, they must leave their niche of interiors.
They have said if Dwarven Forge does not, it will not last.
That advocates the excessive spreading of the very few resources that Dwarven Forge possesses; that to me is the advocation of killing the "golden goose" YC.
Some people just refuse to understand that even GW and Hasbro were not what they are now only ten years in.
Dwarven Forge has much growth to go before it can just throw around funds like those two can.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here. Everything I've read regarding set and piece suggestions has been enthusiastic, yes, but rarely adamant. In fact, you yourself have been very vocal about wanting furnishings, which is great, but some might call that being too demanding. Let's just give everyone the benefit of the doubt. None of us have any authority over Jeff and Stefan, so even if we DO demand, it's all just wind and noise anyway.

But YC, some persons who have been with us [b]DO[/b] go off the deep end.
The MapMaker fiasco/debacle/etc. was a perfect example of persons thinking they could dictate to Dwarven Forge how to behave and what to manufacture.

I really do think that any list presented as long as some have been, really do need to be blatantly pointed out as Wish/It Would Be Nice/etc. lists.
Too many times we have endured the ridiculous ire of persons who took it as a personal affront that Dwarven Forge did not perform as they felt that they had so dictated.

I am sure YC that you and the others here who had to endure that Map Maker incident can understand why it might be on the wise side to be blatant with our lists so as to avoid such a nasty situation ever again.
Yes?

You have a point, but I wish that we could all just put that whole mapmaker ugliness behind us. But this is a very different thing, and I trust Jeff and Stefan to take everyone's input with a grain of salt and make decisions that work for thier business.

As far as Space: 1999, maybe the new title could be Space: 2099, yes?
Personally, I am very disappointed with what we Americans have done to our space program over the last 25 years.

Amen to that! Maybe private projects like Spaceship One will help get things moving again. We need to kick things up a notch.

YC, as far as Buck Rogers, the jump suit and Erin Gray, there are currently a few actresses that could pick up the part and carry it off well.
I will not mention any names; THAT is an argument I definitely do not want to get into!

Without Katsulas, G'Kar can still continue; he is Narn.
There was enough make-up involved that a change in actor would not be glaring.
With most of the Earthers, the Centauri and the Minbari, it would be a much different story.

Oh, come on! Name names! Erin Gray in her prime was quite the uber-hottie. Who would you put on that same pedistal?

As for G'Kar, Katsulas brought so much to that performance, I can't see anyone else filling those shoes. Still, the character lives on in other media, like books and graphic novels, so I hope JMS uses those avenues to fill in the rest of the story.
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#8990
New Poll: What should the first Sci-Fi Accessories set be? 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
A piece i don't know where it should come out, but one i Really think needs to be done is a Sci Fi equivilent of the Dead End Passage.

The exsistance in Fantasy and Caverns is great thing in those lines, and having them in Sci Fi-would be great thing to.

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I ran a game the other nigth where it would have been so cool to have them.
In the set up there were 4 spots where i would have loved to have the passage end in a secruity check point or two.


this is just one, the group never got to the other in the session, but it was in a Cross interesection of passages. give two deadend passages and you have a an instant secruity checkpoint, or other resessed alcove on two sides of the hall to put stuff in.
A computer terminal etc, make it into a Lift, (you could actually make a few different ones to get different specific elements going like one is a door (least usefull becuase you could always put a door at the end of a passage as it is now), second make it the inside of a lift/elivator, a transporter station, a computer terminal, etc. ) While only a few of these ideas are maybe really use full as stand alones most could be accomplished by just having a Dead end, and then putting in a secondary scenery element... just oh so want a dead end.
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More Sci Fi Please, request a DEAD END for Sci Fi Passages
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New Poll: What should the first Sci-Fi Accessories set be? 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Problem with a Security checkpoint is that (and I'm speaking as a former Security specialist with the Federal Protective Service) a checkpoint is best served by a constriction in the corridor, as in a desk or console that narrows a passage down to 5' instead of the 10' the Sci-fi Passages are now, with a force-field or armored door just past it. This presents a potential opponent with a slow-down followed by a positive barrier, which precludes both 'crashing the gate' and gunning down the security officers or 'droids.

HOWEVER, as a guard post BESIDE that checkpoint, OR as a systems access station, OR as a 'turbo-lift', OR as a 'Transporter Pad' station, the dead-end works GREAT! Or at least, it would IF we had one.

Oh great, Thanks, GS; NOW you've got me thinking in terms of butchering two corners into a dead-end master and making more!
I can't afford too many hack 'n' slash jobs like this on my Sci-Fi sets; I've only got 6 Passages, 6 Starters, 3 Alphas, and 2 Betas. Gimmee a break!

See ya!

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#8992
New Poll: What should the first Sci-Fi Accessories set be? 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Yes, i understand that you need an onstruction of some sort in the hall for it to work well, it was more of a place to put the guards, who will be manning the station, and present the players a sesne of wonder and ramp up the potential suspense... There is a something in the hall, but what is off behind it, in those one or two little alcoves (works well with the T also but you just have one side in that case ;) )

The dead ends can make the spot where the guards stand, and forcefield or regular doors in the hall are the confinment just past where the hall narrows down again, it would present more area to put things to stop intruders...

just an idea, cuase i want dead ends ;) It is my current DF quest, i had quested for Long walls and Hallways and love them both now i want to dead end those hall ways ;)
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#8993
New Poll: What should the first Sci-Fi Accessories set be? 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
How does this idea sound for the composition of the next SF Accessories Set?

Make the set somewhat larger and include a variety of items in limited quantities only, ensuring that all items included would be wanted/needed in greater quantities.
Such a composition would promote multiple set purchases while providing a greater range of items in one set.
It would be important to release such a set early so that any pieces/items that may be required in greater quantities (or variety) could be developed and included in other, more specialized sets at a later time. Essentially this first set would provide the standard, mass furnishings only.

Some suggested pieces, that could often be used in multiples are:

Bed/bunk. (2)
Small (round) table.
Larger (rectangular) table.
Set of chairs (6)
Other chairs (2)
Console* (stand-alone) with screen.
Generator/engine part. (The items you see stacked side-by-side in engine rooms).
(med) Vertical pipe (smiliar to other's posted).


* These could be placed anywhere within SF rooms or even in caverns.

I'll defer to everyone here regarding the specific items for such a set.

My main point was in the composition of such a set. I honestly believe that producing a set that would provide a considerable number of new pieces, while promoting multiple-set sales would be the best of both worlds, so-to-speak.
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