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#5837
Grendel and Ainsty Sci-Fi accessories discussion 8 Years, 6 Months ago  
Yeah, Forge World is out of their minds with their scenery prices. They're overpriced, poorly cast, and they're too darn fragile. I've had to spend days-on-end dremeling and sanding parts that were messed up. My group called the GW battle bunker up in Memphis to ask about the Forgeworld items they carried (it's cheaper than ordering from the U.K.). They claimed to have a bunch of items we inquired about, but when we got there they had very little. They basically suckered us into driving for 2 hours to get to their store. I really wish another game company would come along and give them some healthy competition. GW/Forgeworld really need to be taught a lesson.
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#5838
Grendel and Ainsty Sci-Fi accessories discussion 8 Years, 6 Months ago  
As a side issue, or actually getting back to the original thread of this discussion, does anyone knwo of a U.S. distributor for Ainsty goodies?
Reason why I ask is that Ainsty prices vary for non-UK customers, and the volatility of the dollar versus the Pound makes for some rough handling. I don't know about customs, etc., but I suspect they may get almost as bad for US customers as UK/EU customs, etc., get for their DF customers!
If there is no US distributor, then I'm stuck. If there IS, I'd sure like to buy from them.

Thanks, and See ya!

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#5839
Grendel and Ainsty Sci-Fi accessories discussion 8 Years, 6 Months ago  
As a side issue, or actually getting back to the original thread of this discussion, does anyone knwo of a U.S. distributor for Ainsty goodies?
Reason why I ask is that Ainsty prices vary for non-UK customers, and the volatility of the dollar versus the Pound makes for some rough handling. I don't know about customs, etc., but I suspect they may get almost as bad for US customers as UK/EU customs, etc., get for their DF customers!
If there is no US distributor, then I'm stuck. If there IS, I'd sure like to buy from them.

Thanks, and See ya!

Jim

Sorry JK, but the last time I spoke with Mike Brooks, he said he had no plans for a US distributor/manufacturer.
This was because from his point of view, especially with ordering possible over the Net, it was just not financially feasable or prudent to do so.
This had two parts:
1) If all Anisty had was a U.S. distributor, then they would have to invest heavily into casting materials with an unknown future return.
Ainsty is a small business JK, barely larger than Dwarven Forge.
2) If Ainsty contracted for a U.S. manufacturer of the line, then Mike is worried about how big of a cut said manufacturer would insist on and how much money Ainsty would lose as a result.
This was the very reason for the terminated contract between Ground Zero Games and Geo-Hex/Monday Knight Productions.

I pointed out to Mike that Ainsty was losing sales, possibly a lot of them.
He disagreed because of the number of orders Ainsty currently gets from buyers in the U.S.A.
He felt the lost sales did not total up to a significant amount of capital.

So JK, I am sorry, but it looks like you will still have to continue to plan on spending a significant amount of money on S&H for an Ainsty order.
I know that is the biggest difficulty here in getting an order going.
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#5840
Grendel and Ainsty Sci-Fi accessories discussion 8 Years, 6 Months ago  
Yeah, Forge World is out of their minds with their scenery prices. They're overpriced, poorly cast, and they're too darn fragile. I've had to spend days-on-end dremeling and sanding parts that were messed up. My group called the GW battle bunker up in Memphis to ask about the Forgeworld items they carried (it's cheaper than ordering from the U.K.). They claimed to have a bunch of items we inquired about, but when we got there they had very little. They basically suckered us into driving for 2 hours to get to their store. I really wish another game company would come along and give them some healthy competition. GW/Forgeworld really need to be taught a lesson.
Having worked for the "Evil Empire" jeditemple, I understand your frustration.
Believe me when I tell you they do not even tell most of their employees the real reason for the pricing.
I think that is in fear of the chance of a mis-said comment.

GW basically charges what they know, especially after being in business 28 years, what the market will bear.
GW/Forge World is expensive, but folks are willing to spend that.
For every gamer that falls from their ranks, there is at least one, if not several, to take that gamers place.
Plus, a good number of their sculpts really are not all that bad.

Having said that , I personally, have not bought a single GW item, other than Gaunt's Ghosts novels (Black Library books, another division of GW), since I left GW in '97.
There are always other great things to buy, including cool Master Maze terrain!

The only way, jeditemple, that GW/Forge World will be taught a lesson will be for one of us to be able to come into $250million.
That is what I estimate it will cost to form a competitive corporation: to buy up a certain group of gaming IPs, gaming licenses, terrain & miniature companies and get licenses to manufacture certain British, Russian & Japanese companies' product here along with providing the necessary funds to truly expand those lines into real competitiveness.

Moreover. you must remember that not only one must take on the "Evil Empire", but also its wanna-be -- WOTC/Hasbro.
It will make no real positive difference if the defending company and GW/Forge World destroy each other and leave the field to Hasbro; you will just trade one "Evil Empire" for another.
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#5841
Grendel and Ainsty Sci-Fi accessories discussion 8 Years, 6 Months ago  
Hmm...
RF,

MAYBE we should get an Ainsty group order together and distribute the S&H cost among us.

I have no problem with trusting you, IO, or GS, or a selected group of other gamers here with my cash. If we select ONE person in a relatively centralized location, we could possibly get a deal from Ainsty and whoever their carrier would be for ONE package.
I'd volunteer to do the order, but since I have this nasty habit of starting projects then forgetting to finish them for months at a time, I'd wind up leaving guys high 'n' dry until someone got pissed-off at me and reminded me I owed them LOTS of kits or LOTS of cash! That makes for bad feelings, and gaming is just now recovering from the bad rep it got slammed with back in the 80's.
So, it would be best if I DON'T do the order. However, as I said, if someone else wanted to, and it was someone the rest of us felt we could trust, by all means, let's see if we can organize it.
Whatcha think?

See ya!

Jim
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#5842
Grendel and Ainsty Sci-Fi accessories discussion 8 Years, 6 Months ago  
there might be some interest in our camp for some of the yakkum mine stuff. maybe some of the dungeons too. i'll keep my eye on this thread.
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#5843
Grendel and Ainsty Sci-Fi accessories discussion 8 Years, 6 Months ago  
since i am unemployed in 61 days nothing new on the buying front untill i can find a new job...
(yes if you looked at this post yesterday the number was much higher, i noticed something odd on my contract, there were two different dates listed as my end date, so checking into it, it is the one much closer, yeah about 3 weeks less time to find a job :(


I might buy some more stuff but when i did place that order some time back i got the whole base camp line, there are only a few things in the Cargo Bay or Down Bellow that i would get, i am pretty much at the point where either have it allready or don't want it. (there are only a few things i didn't get becuase the cost would just have been silly to get everything i wanted....)
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#5844
Grendel and Ainsty Sci-Fi accessories discussion 8 Years, 6 Months ago  
Oh question, anyone got pictures of the line from Ground Zero Games?

The 25MM STARGRUNT FIGURES, BUILDINGS & VEHICLES has a group of "ACCESSORIES & SCENICS 25MM", some of them look kind of interesting at least in title but they don't show the full pictures of the line in the online Cat. While i'm not a fan of some of the minis the terrain if i could see it might be interesting...

I have to wonder about companies like Grendel, GZG, even some of Anisty's and others that don't put up pictures of the stuff. I am VERY hesitant to order stuff like this with out having seen at least a picture of it.
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#5845
Grendel and Ainsty Sci-Fi accessories discussion 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Oh question, anyone got pictures of the line from Ground Zero Games?
Over in the Cool Pics area I will post pics of some of the GZG terrain items.
I only have a few (not as many as I would like), but hopefully this will help you.
Some are painted; some are not.

The 25MM STARGRUNT FIGURES, BUILDINGS & VEHICLES has a group of "ACCESSORIES & SCENICS 25MM", some of them look kind of interesting at least in title but they don't show the full pictures of the line in the online Cat. (emphasis added) While i'm not a fan of some of the minis the terrain if i could see it might be interesting...
Is it you do not like figures in true25, true15 or the BT-Epic scales?
Well, that is just a personal preference, I guess.

Or is it you like only pre-painted figs?
I have found more and more Americans do not want to have to paint any of their gaming figures and terrain.
I do not know why most American gamers I speak to are perfectly happy just going along with what the companies have dictated the pigmentation to be.
I am a person who likes my gaming stuff painted how [u][i]I[/u][/i] want it - not what some corporate stiff decided it was going to be because it was cheaper that way.

Additionally, I like keeping my money in the UK or the USA.
China's economy is getting more and more powerful as the rest of the world demands cheaper and cheaper products.
Some very small companies like Dwarven Forge have no choice but to deal with the Chinese, but other much larger companies are simply being lazy and looking for high profit margins.
You folks do realize that when you buying products made in the PRC, you are funding the largest (and still growing) army in the world and an incredible Kennedy-esque space program, right?
If we Americans and Westerners do not wake up soon, we will be looking at Chinese space stations and permanent Chinese moon bases before not too long and they will all be armed.
We really have to wake up and realize that we are currently in a far more important and impactful space race now than we ever had with the Soviets.
It might sound melodramatic, but the fate of the world does actually stand in the balance this time.
Sci-Fi authors back in the '60s and '70s predicted this first decade of the 21st Century very accurately about this.
Guess what almost all of their predictions were?
America and the rest of the "West" would be too fat and lazy, thanks to being lulled by Chinese businesses, to deal with the situation and the world fell to Chinese Communism.
Only one author I have read indicated that the West could stand up to the PRC and that even was only after a good bit of the planet and near space fell to the PRC.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.

Or do you only like the new "heroic" scale figures?
Figures have gotten larger over the last ten years.
They went from 25 to larger 25, to 28, to larger 28, to 30 and now to larger 30 which are really 32s.
Notice, I did not say the figures had gotten any better.
With the advancements in casting technology that have occurred over the last 20 years, true25 & true15 scale figures can be very detailed figures that look absolutely fabulous once competently painted.

Personally, outside of the Evil Empire's and its many subsidiaries' lines, I think Ground Zero Games has some of the best quality figures on the UK market for Science Fiction.
Some here might have other nominations for such (any nominations anyone?), but these GZG lines are the best and largest lines I have seen.

I have to wonder about companies like Grendel, GZG, even some of Anisty's and others that don't put up pictures of the stuff. I am VERY hesitant to order stuff like this with out having seen at least a picture of it.
GS, every company you named in this message is a British one.
They, of course, do not show pics of their products and there is a very good reason why.
They do not usually sell their product across the "pond" for one.
The main issue is that you and all of the other American gamers here need to understand how UK wargaming functions.

Here are some core issues.
1) The UK is the size of the state of Nevada.
Getting to/from game cons is not difficult at all.
This means a whole heck of a lot more gamers attend cons and see product displayed there.
I once heard an estimate that a UK gamer in ten years time attends a minimum of 18 serious cons.
That is WAY higher than the average American gamer who may attend 3 serious cons in his life.
For those of you serious con-attending American gamers, that should be a definitive snooze alert for how many of your fellow gamers never attend a con in their lives.
2) TV taxes (are they worth it for ~six stations?), astronomical cable rates (when I hear Americans complaining about their cable rates, I always have to laugh)(cable is the only way to the point at which you get metropolitan American variety and numbers of stations in the UK[in metro LA one can tune in over twenty TV stations without having cable]) and most other recreational activites are extremely expensive and cater to the afluent.
Granted, football (aka soccer) is the one of the extremely few exceptions to that rule.
As a result, wargaming is much more prevalent in the UK than in the USA and thereby a lot more game cons.
Almost every UK gaming company hits a minimum of about 85% of the cons so their wares are seen by the goers.
3) Because of all of the game cons, people already know what the product looks like GS because they go and see it at every con.
They do not need all of the "pretty" pics.
This means the manufacturers put up fewer pics and even fewer quality pics.
This then means that these manufacturer's WEB page costs are considerably less than American companies' costs.
Which helps keep the domestic costs of the product down.

Selling to the Americans and Canadians is actually a very expensive and fairly new proposition for UK companies, but to survive in this world market, they are trying to learn to do so.
As a result, some of the companies are having to spend considerably more money on their WEB pages than they did before and that will increase the price of their product both domestically and abroad, which will cause additional hard times for these companies.
The development of their WEB pages with better pics will only happen as they get more sales and that will take considerable time.
Ainsty's WEB page is far, far better than it was back in '98; the best they usually had back then for pics were quick B&W sketches of the product, but as you have pointed out GS, it is far from ideal still.

I know of at least two of the UK manufacturers that understand this and are trying, but I think American gamers (who are among the most spoiled in the world when it comes to expensive marketing aids spoonfeeding them) need to understand that most UK companies, despite having awesome product, are little bigger than Dwarven Forge.
For UK gaming, they do not need to be GW or Hasbro size.
Patience by New World gamers needs to be exercised greatly as these companies grow to be large enough to feed you the way you are used to by American companies.
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#5846
Grendel and Ainsty Sci-Fi accessories discussion 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Over in the Cool Pics area I will post pics of some of the GZG terrain items.
I only have a few (not as many as I would like), but hopefully this will help you.
Some are painted; some are not.

Yeah i saw those last night when the site finnaly loaded. Kind of interesting, but looks like just more of the same with cargo crates the first 2 are fine if i need more cargo crates the second is ok too, but not sure about the last one.

While i'm not a fan of some of the minis[/b] the terrain if i could see it might be interesting...
Is it you do not like figures in true25, true15 or the BT-Epic scales?
Well, that is just a personal preference, I guess.
Or is it you like only pre-painted figs?
I have found more and more Americans do not want to have to paint any of their gaming figures and terrain.
I do not know why most American gamers I speak to are perfectly happy just going along with what the companies have dictated the pigmentation to be.
I am a person who likes my gaming stuff painted how [u][i]I[/u][/i] want it - not what some corporate stiff decided it was going to be because it was cheaper that way.

Or do you only like the new "heroic" scale figures?
Figures have gotten larger over the last ten years.
They went from 25 to larger 25, to 28, to larger 28, to 30 and now to larger 30 which are really 32s.
Notice, I did not say the figures had gotten any better.
With the advancements in casting technology that have occurred over the last 20 years, true25 & true15 scale figures can be very detailed figures that look absolutely fabulous once competently painted.

Personally, outside of the Evil Empire's and its many subsidiaries' lines, I think Ground Zero Games has some of the best quality figures on the UK market for Science Fiction.
Some here might have other nominations for such (any nominations anyone?), but these GZG lines are the best and largest lines I have seen.

While i will say that yes, i prefer pre-painted for grunt units, like storm troopers and the like, don't want to spend HOURS painting 40 of the same figure. I actually really liked the Metal Line that WotC first put ot for the SW minis back when they started the d20 game. I have the whole collection (actually multiples in a number of cases) and the only ones i haven't painted are ones i haven't decided how i want to do them yet.

The "scale" isn't the issue either i had/have many of the true 25mm from a number of companies, i have quite a collection from WEG, Ral Patha, and others i don't remember the names of in both Fantasy and Sci-Fi that are the old school 25mm.
what i don't like is the proportion of the bodies with the GZG, in many cases the heads, hands, arms and guns are grossly out of poroportion to a person, (one of the reason i Hate GW figures the weapons are huge mamoth things that are typically larger than the person). I know that the human form if shrunk to 25mm to be in proprtion the head, hands, heck most body parts would be too small for any detail, and i understand that there has to be some exaggeration, i think they are just to far. GZG to me just look really off in the proportions of the body, the heads are huge, and the bodys are all wrong many seem stunted the torso far to short for the body, etc. they just look bad to me, all across the line which is why i don't like the line of figures.

which i think is a shame becuase they do have a wide selection, i just wish they looked more human.
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#5847
Grendel and Ainsty Sci-Fi accessories discussion 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
RF -

Or is it you like only pre-painted figs?
I have found more and more Americans do not want to have to paint any of their gaming figures and terrain.
I do not know why most American gamers I speak to are perfectly happy just going along with what the companies have dictated the pigmentation to be.
I am a person who likes my gaming stuff painted how [u][i]I[/u][/i] want it - not what some corporate stiff decided it was going to be because it was cheaper that way.

Personally, I think it's just that my short, fat fingers and way-myopic eyes don't work with 25mm figures, even with the Opti-Visor. Combine that with too few hours and too DAMN many hobbies, and this lazy Mad Yank buys as many D&D Mini's figures as he can stomach. Save the 'build 'em, paint 'em' figures for the really IMPORTANT characters!

Additionally, I like keeping my money in the UK or the USA.
China's economy is getting more and more powerful as the rest of the world demands cheaper and cheaper products.
Some very small companies like Dwarven Forge have no choice but to deal with the Chinese, but other much larger companies are simply being lazy and looking for high profit margins.
You folks do realize that when you buying products made in the PRC, you are funding the largest (and still growing) army in the world and an incredible Kennedy-esque space program, right?
If we Americans and Westerners do not wake up soon, we will be looking at Chinese space stations and permanent Chinese moon bases before not too long and they will all be armed.
We really have to wake up and realize that we are currently in a far more important and impactful space race now than we ever had with the Soviets.
It might sound melodramatic, but the fate of the world does actually stand in the balance this time.
Sci-Fi authors back in the '60s and '70s predicted this first decade of the 21st Century very accurately about this.
Guess what almost all of their predictions were?
America and the rest of the "West" would be too fat and lazy, thanks to being lulled by Chinese businesses, to deal with the situation and the world fell to Chinese Communism.
Only one author I have read indicated that the West could stand up to the PRC and that even was only after a good bit of the planet and near space fell to the PRC.

FIGHTS ON!!

RF*, that sounds like me five years ago; I used to run around quoting Tom Clancy speaking as Jack Ryan, calling the PRC bosses 'Klingons' and wondering how soon they would attack Siberia, etc.
While I still worry about the fundamental differences between China and the U.S., I worry much more about home-grown idiots who are members of the Grand Old Party (as am I) and seem determined to screw up the US of A.
It's not that I don't agree with what that Late-night TV Used-Car Salesman on Pennsylvania Ave. is saying; it's that I just don't trust him as far as I can throw him! Which isn't all that far with two hulking Detail agents holding me down. That's okay, it's their job to protect him, so I can't get all bent out of shape with them because he's a jerk.
It makes me embarrassed to admit I'm a registered Republican.

Oh well; War and Politics = Strange Bedfellows.

See ya!

Jim
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#5848
Grendel and Ainsty Sci-Fi accessories discussion 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Or is it you like only pre-painted figs?
I have found more and more Americans do not want to have to paint any of their gaming figures and terrain.
I do not know why most American gamers I speak to are perfectly happy just going along with what the companies have dictated the pigmentation to be.
I am a person who likes my gaming stuff painted how [u][i]I[/u][/i] want it - not what some corporate stiff decided it was going to be because it was cheaper that way.

Oh and something i forgot to point out, just because they come prepainted doesn't mean they can't be repainted. If you don't like the paint job, change it.

I have re-painted and customized a number of the D&D and SW minis, some times just minor changes, others the whole paint jobs.
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