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#23104
DF and HA SF together at last! 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
I have a question about using HA and DF stuff together for all the SF fans who have both.

Let's say I decided to take the plunge and pick up an SF mold from HA. Now, let's say I wanted to be cautious about this, and wanted to skip the floor molds. They're cool, and they allow you to do a bunch, but they double the price of getting started, assuming you are thinking of getting 1 wall mold and 1 floor mold.

If I only build modular walls, could I place them directly on DF floors and have them match up with DF walls? Or would I have to use DF floors only, and place my walls entirely with HA if I expected consistency?

For that matter --
1) If I only bought 1 wall mold, would I be able to make walls of approximately the dimensions of a DF wall piece? Or do the bricks that make up a wall only make sense -- i.e. produce a coherent and complete design -- in dimensions that wouldn't fit -- i.e. the wall would be too long or too short to fit between two DF walls.

And, for that matter,
2) If I did make walls to fit into a DF layout, would the walls fit seamlessly into DF floors, or are there architectural elements that would suddenly stop and not transition smoothly into DF?


In general, I guess I'm asking this: Can I make a piece that has the exact same dimensions as a DF wall piece with the HA sci-fi molds? Can I also do that, furthermore, without any floor attached to it, so I can place it directly onto the DF floors? If it makes it easier, I'd be happy to make something twice as long, and sacrifice the flexibility of having small wall pieces, if that's the best way to incorporate the design elements and still get the right dimensions. As long as somehow I could make more SF walls to use with my DF setups...

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#23105
DF and HA SF together at last! 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
If I only build modular walls, could I place them directly on DF floors and have them match up with DF walls? Or would I have to use DF floors only, and place my walls entirely with HA if I expected consistency?
Yes the 4 "walls" in Mold #301 are pretty close to dead on in height to a DF wall height. The biggest difference i have to find that i have to make up in height is no in the walls but in the floors. The Typical HA floor i have found is 1/2 as think as a DF floor. If i put it on foamcore, it come to close to DF level. And then the walls are the same height. The biggest problem i have with the HA walls are the thickness. While the straight from the mold wall is about the right thickness i found some probelms with getting nice scrapping on the back to get it to look clean, i figured out a way around it, and to keep the walls together better (glue them to card stock) and they look ok.

For that matter --
1) If I only bought 1 wall mold, would I be able to make walls of approximately the dimensions of a DF wall piece? Or do the bricks that make up a wall only make sense -- i.e. produce a coherent and complete design -- in dimensions that wouldn't fit -- i.e. the wall would be too long or too short to fit between two DF walls.

Wall mold #301 has 4 that are 1inch, that is the closest to DF in dimensions you can do loads, and loads of those and they will match up. Cargo bay Mold #302, has some nice wall sections, but they being 1.5 inchs are a little tricker to mix in, but not impossible. Med Lab Accessory Mold #303 has some cool bits, but they are the hardest to fit into general stuff.

2) If I did make walls to fit into a DF layout, would the walls fit seamlessly into DF floors, or are there architectural elements that would suddenly stop and not transition smoothly into DF?
This might be a problems becuase they are some that might be garring.

Can I make a piece that has the exact same dimensions as a DF wall piece with the HA sci-fi molds?
In general i have found you can't do this with HA, you can't get the "exact same dimensions". However you can get walls with just about the same height.

Can I also do that, furthermore, without any floor attached to it, so I can place it directly onto the DF floors?
I would say yes, i have found the floors don't match in height, and if you can rasie up under ther floor to match the walls are fine.

If it makes it easier, I'd be happy to make something twice as long, and sacrifice the flexibility of having small wall pieces, if that's the best way to incorporate the design elements and still get the right dimensions. As long as somehow I could make more SF walls to use with my DF setups...
The biggest setup i have done scombining DF and HA was in this.
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#23106
DF and HA SF together at last! 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
Thanks! That's very helpful -- especially about the differences in wall molds! I wasn't entirely committed to getting the basic starship wall mold, I was toying with one of the others, but if they won't fit as well, that answers that!

And the floor differences -- yes, I'd expect that, from the fantasy molds. They have the same issue -- proper mounting gets you approximately there, but there is still a difference. You'd have to mount things EXTREMELY precisely, on just the right thickness of base, to get the DF height match.

Hmmm...

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#23107
DF and HA SF together at last! 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
What's the thickness of the SF walls? Are they exactly 1/2 inch or are they narrower, like the fantasy set walls (which seem to about 5/16 or 6/16 of an inch)? The various HA wall pieces are all either 1/2 or 1/4 of an inch thick. The four wall sections GS mentions are 1/4 of an inch. All of the various wall elements are 1/2 inch, 1 inch and 1.5 inches long (sometimes depending on the direction of the piece, if it's used vertically or horizontally), which means that they may not match up exactly in length, if they're used to cross the gap between DF walls. That could be a greater problem than any height difference. If they are used freestanding or simply butt against one wall, the problem shouldn't be too great, I suppose.
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#23108
DF and HA SF together at last! 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
Well, from what you are saying, it sounds like there would be some limitations on what could be done -- and certainly GS has already said that some of hte molds might be nearly unusable in this regard -- but there are at least SOME things you could do.

The way I see it -- worst case scenario, I can make some entirely HA structures to rest on DF floors. And, of course, accessories for DF setups. And, maybe, I could use the basic starship wall mold to make at least SOME walls for DF.

Or I could make a DF setup with walls all around the exterior, and then some HA walls "butting up against them" as you say, forming interior rooms. Or something like that.

Hmmm...

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#23109
DF and HA SF together at last! 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
I had few mis-cast bits laying around i was planing on using for battle damage. These are from the base mold 301, as you can see they are a bit shorter than the DF, to me it's not that much of a big deal.

I put two of the 301 walls on a DF floor next to a DF wall section.





Gives you an idea of how they would look. The wall panels from 302 are the same height, but 1.5 inchs so they are either too short or too long for a normal DF section, i have been just running them at 6 inch for 4 in Long a wall. Or drop in some of the odd sections to round it to match.

The biggest (And this is my no means a huge probelm for me), is that the dimensions of DF and HA don't always seem to match up, DF seems a smidge smaller than a full 2x2 inchs, my guess would be shrinking in the resin when casting.

I find foam core boad at 1/4 inch works pretty darn close to matching up for a floor. But then i may not be that exacting in how close they match.
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