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#13352
New Hirst molds with DF Applications 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Over on the Hirst Arts site, there are 5 new molds that have accessories and floor tiles. Of special interest to Sci-Fi DF fans are:

Cargo Containers
Alternate Doors
Conveyor Belts
Floors with pipes
Floors with gratings
Iris apertures
The makings of turbolifts
Medbay beds

The stuff looks seriously awesome, but with all HA stuff, it's all DIY (unlike our beloved DF Sci-Fi.)
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#13353
New Hirst molds with DF Applications 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
WOW!!

I gotta go check this out; I have some HA molds I'm supposed to using that I got for my Birthday, and never tried! My excuse was that with only 2 molds, mixing plaster batches gets awfully fast.
Now I may not have any excuse.

Be back later; See Ya!

Jim
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#13354
New Hirst molds with DF Applications 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
I picked up some of their fantasy-themed molds at GenCon last year with the idea of making some custom pieces to fit with DF. So far, I've built 2.5 of the projects they have on their website, and realized 2 things:

1) I do not have enough molds
2) I do not have enough time

This is no slam against HA, just an expression of the fact that my gaming wants are too vast for my current lifestyle. The stuff I have built turned out nicely, despite my relative lack of skill. Once I master the stuff I have (and the stuff I'm getting at this year's GenCon), I'll start thinking about Sci-Fi.
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#13355
New Hirst molds with DF Applications 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
hehehe,
mine come in the mail tommorrow, :)
the only one's i didn't order from the new sets were the ones with the pipes (i want to get them eventually, if i got them now then i go from Ramian to no food ;) )... even though i ordered them over two weeks ago (stupid Paypal... it took over two weeks to figure out why the thing didn't go through...) i fianlly had to resubmit the order and they are now on there way.

I was waiting till they came in before i said anything about them.

They look really spiffy. I have used some of the orignal walls and floors and such to make larger/wider corridors some time back, but there were a few things i'm going to do different when i make more with these new pieces and the first sci-fi ones i got.

I have been using some of the HA/Sci-Fi to also make filler pieces to turn space inside the area inclosed by passages into functional rooms and make some extra bits that make a passage just be an open area where you can put a door or an opening.
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#13356
New Hirst molds with DF Applications 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
I really dig HA, and I love the sci-fi stuff they've got out, but over time I've come to the following conclusion: it's too fragile.

It took me ages to cast the pieces I needed -- I accepted that.
It was hard to store the stuff I built -- I accepted that.
It cost money to cast and paint, so it was not cheap in the long run -- I was fine.

But the fact is, in the years since I built my projects, about 60% of them have broken. If I pick something up in JUST the wrong way, or I am SLIGHTLY un-gentle... @#$.

And it CAN be glued, and fine, and yeah, but I got sick of it. Too easy to break. If I used more expensive plaster or polystone, it might be different --- but that is even MORE expensive to use, and the cost of plaster for this stuff is really much more than I anticipated. I was going through it $50 at a time.

I saw the new Pirates of the Caribbean playset the other day at Target, a cool ruined mill, and considered picking it up. It's so big, and not that well-detailed, for $30. I thought to myself "I have the molds to make something like that right now, paint it up, without paying $30." I realized two things: 1) It would cost me $30 in plaster. 2) It would break. The plastic mill can be primed and drybrushed into something really great, and I can just toss it in the closet when I'm done and fish it out whenever I want and NOT have to worry about it breaking.

When I eventually settle somewhere more long-term and can keep things out on shelves without having to move them around a lot, I may re-discover HA. Planning out buildings was a TON of fun, and the final product is REALLY cool looking, and there is a lot of pride in showing off something you designed, built and painted. But it's like once you reach that point, you may as well toss it. Storing is a pain, and it's gonna break eventually.

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#13357
New Hirst molds with DF Applications 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Okay, I'm back from HA now. I just have to enter my order for 5 sets and I'm ready to rock.
Man, I don't know which set I'm going to build first. One thing for sure, I'm going to be one busy little bee after GenCon!
And, L; Most HA molds CAN be used with resin (IF you're CAREFUL!). Bruce doesn't recommend it for all the molds, but it can be done, he says. So unless you practice bouncing walls off basement walls, you should be able to cast with resin safely.

Good Luck, and SEE YA!

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#13358
New Hirst molds with DF Applications 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Yes, you can use resin instead of plaster, but the molds degrade no matter how careful you are Jim when you use resin.
Hopefully, you will get what you want cast before the fine details degrade too much.
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SF: Starter(3), Passage(2), Alpha(7), Beta(2) someday soon;
Cavern: Cavern, Cavernous Passages, many individual pieces, Cavernous River & Wall and Cavernous Lake someday soon;
Fantasy: Room & Passages, Room, Octagonal Room, Wicked Additions I&II, Adv. Builder, Diagonal Walls Set, Dungeon Accessories, Medieval Furniture, many individual pieces.
 
#13359
New Hirst molds with DF Applications 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
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L wrote "I really dig HA, and I love the sci-fi stuff they've got out, but over time I've come to the following conclusion: it's too fragile."

Hey L (and all),
I've been considering making some custom resin HA pieces to sell, both from his existing pieces and some of my own, but not sure if there would be a market. What do you guys think?
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#13360
New Hirst molds with DF Applications 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Y'know, crazy as this sounds (And it DOES sound crazy!), I've been toying with the idea of using HA molds to make pieces in plaster to glue up as single-face masters to make METAL molds (using relatively low-temp metals from MM or other source) to make resin INJECTION molds to make multiple resin pieces without destroying HA molds that can be used to make MORE plaster masters.
Phew! That was a helluva long sentence to crank out!
Anyway, does anyone here besides me think I've gone totally 'round the bend, or am I actually on the trail of something? I figure that if I can use metal with a melt temp below 500 degrees, I can use a propane or MAPP gas torch to melt the metal stock and pour it into a plaster mold box with a plaster master. As long as I can make the masters so NO flexing is necessary to remove the mold, then it should also work to not need flex to pull finished injected castings. I know injected castings can be very finely detailed, almost as well as injected styrene, yet without the cost factor of machined stainless steel molds. I also know that making metal molds like that can get bloody expensive, which is why I would only make them for parts that would get a LOT of use in building other models.

It's just an idea, and it may never actually go anywhere, but I just thought I'd get some reactions from the crowd here.

See ya!

Jim
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#13361
New Hirst molds with DF Applications 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Since I only have experience with centifical casting like GW and Iron Wind do, I have no useful advice for you Jim on this.
Wishes for the best of luck I do have.
Good luck!
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#13362
New Hirst molds with DF Applications 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Wow, that is REAL dedication! I have no idea how that would work, but then that doesn't surprise me as I have no experience in this area. Still, I can't figure out how to remove pieces from an inflexible mold... Hmm.....

Well, as RF said, good luck!

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#13363
New Hirst molds with DF Applications 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
RF*; thanks for the good luck wishes! I still don't know if I'm actually going to do this, but you have encouraged me to try it. That counts.

L; I'm still not sure if it's dedication, or total insanity, but it's still bouncing around the back of my head.

As far as HOW to extract pieces, I think it goes like this:
1.) Make SURE the mold is properly release-coated before injection.
2.) Design the mold with a SOLID tree structure.
3.) MINIMUM UNDERCUTS!!!
4.) Build-in ejector pins in the molds.
5.) Obviously, multiple-part molds; no one-piecers here!

IF I actually do this, I guarantee you, there WILL be postings here! WITH PICS!!

See ya!

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