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GW SF products that look kinda neat, actually 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
I wanted to like these, as they look almost not too over the top, but then I saw the multiple alcoves jammed with skulls.

Pass.
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#13119
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Well ReBob and I dragged Sandy down to the GW store on Saturday, and guess what?
I'm NOT buying it!
First of all, the attitude is still the same; second, they had only the White Dwarf pics, but expected a pre-order sale (NOT!); third, the attitude remains the same!

So much for Games Workshop!

See ya!

Jim
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#13120
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Did you actually expect front-line Evil Empire soldiers to be humble Jim?
They expect you to kow-tow to their great and mighty masters and hand them your credit card!
They were probably actually shocked that you did not do so.
The Empire's propaganda machine works both to mutate their soldiers as well as the general citizenry.
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#13121
GW SF products that look kinda neat, actually 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
RF* -

Gee, guy, could it be that you dislike the GW mindset as much as I do - OR EVEN MORE?

"Hey, Gavin, Leave those kids alone!"
All in all, they're just another brick in the wall.

See ya!

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#13122
GW SF products that look kinda neat, actually 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Funny to hear you guys talk about the "attitude" of GW employees. I had quite the opposite experience, at least subjectively.

In my area, there were two local gaming stores for years. Both had employees who used the job to hang out with their friends, paint, and (in the past few years) play Magic. It was always an inconvenience for them to pay any attention at all to a customer. I frequently would find them not open when their posted hours said they'd be open (and being a gaming store, this meant showing at 12:30pm and finding them not open when the store should open at noon -- I'm not asking much, guys! The world has been happening outside your door for HOURS now!)

When GW came to Harvard Square, it meant a store with employees always willing to see what I needed, willing to order anything promptly -- ugh, the nightmares of delays and neglected orders before GW was here! It meant a store with actual inventory kept up to date, and people who knew what was supposed to be coming.

Sure, their eagerness and faux-friendliness is a calculated business strategy, but that's what I call "capitalism working the way it should." They treat me the way I want to be treated, they get my money.

Maybe it's this "Can I help you? CAn I help you? Can I help you? What army do you play? Have you seen the new X? Isn't it really cool? Can I help you?" that bugs you guys - and I can totally understand if it does. But I just found it a real welcome alternative to the more familiar "What the hell do YOU want now?"

Funny story about that patented GW aggressive sales pitch -- after getting a lot of Bretonians, a lot of Lizardmen, and a lot of LOTR stuff, I sorta lost interest. I'd gotten most of it on store credit in return for making them scenery with HA pieces, and when my credit ran out, and I'd bought enough to hit that GW Event Horizon (where you have to start buying an army all over again to find anything new to purchase because GW has forgotten they ever MADE X, Y, or Z now that they're busy promoting A, B and C). I stopped going. About a year, maybe a year and a half later, I wanted a few pieces, and I stopped by. And it was entirely new employees, who didn't know me any more, and it felt absurd to be asked all these questions. "Do you play?" "Don't really have time any more." "Do you know how the game works?" "Well, I built that whole terrain table behind you. I'm reasonably familiar with it, yes."

;)

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#13123
GW SF products that look kinda neat, actually 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Funny to hear you guys talk about the "attitude" of GW employees. I had quite the opposite experience, at least subjectively.

In my area, there were two local gaming stores for years. Both had employees who used the job to hang out with their friends, paint, and (in the past few years) play Magic. It was always an inconvenience for them to pay any attention at all to a customer. I frequently would find them not open when their posted hours said they'd be open (and being a gaming store, this meant showing at 12:30pm and finding them not open when the store should open at noon -- I'm not asking much, guys! The world has been happening outside your door for HOURS now!)

L is right, the GW store system is much more reliable as far as normal business items, like opening on time and such, than the average hobbyist who decided to open a game store so that he and his friends have somewhere fairly nice to play and even make some money too. See my presentation about successul game stores at:
www.dwarvenforge.com/dwarvenforums/viewtopic.php?id=512&p=1
under the member "Guest"; posting #14.

When GW came to Harvard Square, it meant a store with employees always willing to see what I needed, willing to order anything promptly -- ugh, the nightmares of delays and neglected orders before GW was here! It meant a store with actual inventory kept up to date, and people who knew what was supposed to be coming.
But when you wanted the latest from Company A, you were way out of luck, yes L?
GW allows no competition; the competition is to be swamped and then [i][u]BROKEN![/i][/u]

Sure, their eagerness and faux-friendliness is a calculated business strategy, but that's what I call "capitalism working the way it should." They treat me the way I want to be treated, they get my money.

Maybe it's this "Can I help you? CAn I help you? Can I help you? What army do you play? Have you seen the new X? Isn't it really cool? Can I help you?" that bugs you guys - and I can totally understand if it does. But I just found it a real welcome alternative to the more familiar "What the hell do YOU want now?"

What "bugs" me L is the constant degradation of anything non-GW including Dwarven Forge!
I have heard anti-DF diatribes by some GW employees L.

Nothing made by any other company is worth the coin spent on it is the official GW mantra.
The only non-GW stuff worth any bit of snot is scratch-built items like terrain, and L, those are only tolerated, even sometimes semi-celebrated, because they do not take away from coin coming into the coffers of GW.

Funny story about that patented GW aggressive sales pitch -- after getting a lot of Bretonians, a lot of Lizardmen, and a lot of LOTR stuff, I sorta lost interest. I'd gotten most of it on store credit in return for making them scenery with HA pieces, and when my credit ran out, and I'd bought enough to hit that GW Event Horizon (where you have to start buying an army all over again to find anything new to purchase because GW has forgotten they ever MADE X, Y, or Z now that they're busy promoting A, B and C). I stopped going. About a year, maybe a year and a half later, I wanted a few pieces, and I stopped by. And it was entirely new employees, who didn't know me any more, and it felt absurd to be asked all these questions. "Do you play?" "Don't really have time any more." "Do you know how the game works?" "Well, I built that whole terrain table behind you. I'm reasonably familiar with it, yes."
It is incredibly common for entire GW Store staffs to be uprooted and scattered through the GW Retail system.
It avoids too close of entaglements with local gamers and possible corruption of staff into non-GW games.
Additionally, if a GW Retail staffer speaks of any other company's games while on the store premises except to deride them, they are taking their professional future and tossing it down the latrine.
Friendly relations with the other gaming companies on the front-line is not tolerated and is, most often, punished.

Y'all have to understand GW's mindset.
They see themselves as the "saviors of humanity".
In their minds, they are the Great Emperor's most loyal space marines from the most loyal chapter and it is preached that way to all employees as well.
As I recall, GW's Retail Division sees themselves as assault marines, fighting in hand-to-hand combat with the hoards of chaos (other game companies and retailers) for the glory of their Emperor.

Did you folks know that GW even has company chaplains, as in the idea of space marine company chaplains?
There are also members of nearly every Imperial department within GW including the Ordo Malleus.
Production managers in England see themselves as Tech Priests and their basic workers as lesser priests at best, servitors at worse and more commonly.
This is all done so as to encourage obedience and fanaticism.
That is with everyone, but Mail Order; Mail Order is the hole in the ground filled with mind-wiped trolls who think that the Emperor is Gork and Mork all wrapped into one.
Occasionally a troll gets aspirations of becoming a space marine; if he is allowed to continue such thoughts, he must leave Mail Order.
No space marines in Mail Order - only trolls.

Any deviation from the Emperor's (GW's) doctrine is seen as chaos-bred corruption and therefore needs to be cut out and destroyed.
Decimation, on a professional level, is used frequently to maintain order within the ranks of GW.
Decimation is used by GW far more than its creators, Rome, ever used it.
GW has a far greater body pool to draw from than Rome ever did so they use the practise of (professional) decimation far more than even the most bloodthirsty and paranoid Roman emperor ever did.

I am not kidding here folks; this is really how it is.
;)

L

I have only bought, maybe, ten, at most, GW products since mid-'98 and they were all Blood Bowl items and none of that was bought more recently than '99.
I just became thoroughly disgusted with GW's retail and professional practises enough that I stopped and have been selling slowly but surely all of my great, and I seriously mean GREAT, hoard of GW minis and literature ever since.
I have not yet started in on all my literature yet; I think I may have every White Dwarf from 80 something into the 220s or so plus a fair number of earlier ones and have not received a fair offer yet for those.
A good number of issues I have two of so; my mindset was that way I could keep a pristine copy of those issues and use the others.
I plan to sell that collection in one piece to someone who is serious about gaming history. It takes up five completely packed banker's storage boxes as I recall.

Well L, all this is probably more than what you thought you were asking about or even encouraging, but that is what I have seen and how I feel about GW.
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#13124
GW SF products that look kinda neat, actually 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Another GW set that may have conversion potential with Dwarven Forge sets:

uk.games-workshop.com/cityfight/miniatures-gallery/9/

Priced out of range though 20 GBP. At that price I'd rather buy another Alpha Expansion.
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#13125
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"I am not kidding here folks; this is really how it is."

gotta disagree with you there. okay, so i'm well aware that GW has problems, and i'm getting pretty PO'ed at the pricing over the last few years, but you're painting everyone who works for them with a pretty slanted perspective. maybe it's just over here in the states, but i spent 6 years stationed in the UK till january of 05, and i knew and was good friends with GW employees from the game design level on down to the retail outlets, and never saw the kind of fanatical poo pooing of everything that's not GW. my friends at every level were into a large variety of games, both miniatures and role play, that had nothing to do with GW product at all.

no offense intended, but you seem to be looking at them with the same kind of perspective that you accuse them of having towards DF and other non GW product.
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#13126
GW SF products that look kinda neat, actually 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Shade -

Please understnd, I at least am not throwing rocks at everyone at GW, but I've been to ALL the GW stores in the Baltimore Area, AND to USA HQ in Glen Burnie, MD.
AND ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY, "Fanatic" is the perfect description for them. There MAY have been one - ONE! - employee there who was NOT a Taliban-class @$$ about GW and Non-GW products - and now that I think about it, he was only there for a VERY SHORT TIME!

Sorry, Shade; UK staff and crew might be decent folks, both at the offices and in the stores, but here in the US - JERKS is the nicest description I can give them. The worst ones of the bunch - and make no mistake, they came in several, graduated classes from jerk to - well, I can't USE that kind of language in a family-oriented forum! Suffice it to say that they destroy as many GW fans as they create. Because it's hard to enjoy a hobby when it's sales representatives consistently denigrate all other forms of that hobby.

And the worst part of it all is what they do to hard-core GW gamers; the guy who got me started in gaming tried to get me going in GW, and after a while, when I didn't enjoy 40K or WH Fantasy, he quit playing D&D. And he had one HELL of a great half-dragon character, with a marvelous back-story!

See ya! (In Indy?)

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#13127
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I've got a GW outlet 10 minutes away from where I live (super handy when I need inks, bases, or to ooh and ahh over their bits catalogue) and I've never got any attitude from them, we've talked about D&D, one employee even showed me his player's handbook he was keeping behind the counter.
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#13128
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I am not kidding here folks; this is really how it is.
gotta disagree with you there. okay, so i'm well aware that GW has problems, and i'm getting pretty PO'ed at the pricing over the last few years, but you're painting everyone who works for them with a pretty slanted perspective. maybe it's just over here in the states, but i spent 6 years stationed in the UK till january of 05, and i knew and was good friends with GW employees from the game design level on down to the retail outlets, and never saw the kind of fanatical poo pooing of everything that's not GW. my friends at every level were into a large variety of games, both miniatures and role play, that had nothing to do with GW product at all.

shade_1313, you are aware "that GW has problems, ...", eh?
Not from their world view player!
They are the best thing since sliced bread and velcro in their minds.
They truly believe that they can revise games over and over, OOP perfectly good minis and raise prices however they see fit, and the gaming public will still embrace them.
This is neither the attitude nor the actions of a company that only has problems shade_1313.

I was there shade_1313; I saw the walk and I heard the talk.
I could smell the straight poop from the horse's ass!
I worked in the gaming industry shade_1313.
I have met and spoken with and LISTENED to a good number of the GW folks from around this mud ball, from John on down.
The only fairly "normal" people I met from GW were folks like Jervis, Trish and Andy J.
The sales folks were gung-ho marine-types no matter if they were in Retail, Mail Order or Trade, especially Trade, no matter where on this mud ball they were from.
Trade Sales folks would go on and on about how they were the space marine terminators of GW.

Have you ever been to one of their international GW sales meetings in Lenton shade_1313?
I have seen the folks who have attended one after they get back, and they are not the same people.
The indoctrination process has been fine-tuned over the 29 years that GW has been in business shade_1313 and is very efficient and thorough.
It is a serious part of the reason they are still in business despite the great number of gamers they offend every year.

Please also do not be blind to the fact that any company the Perry Twins run is actually GW in disguise; they are.
GW employees will use this nebulous relationship to talk up these companies so they do not look so fanatical shade_1313.

On a slight chance though, you might have run into some not quite indoctrinated folks, please be aware that they are few and far between shade_1313.
They also do not stay so either!
They either accept party-line or leave GW.

no offense intended, but you seem to be looking at them with the same kind of perspective that you accuse them of having towards DF and other non GW product.
GW calls the tune shade_1313; I am just dancing to it.
Their actions, not just Stateside but around the world, have called them into question in far more places than just in the States.
They do not play nice with others; others now, are starting to not do so with them.

Remember shade_1313, there is a reason why GW marketing is targeted at the 13-14 crowd.
Most older gamers realize the con GW is running and depart to more trustworthy games.

I've got a GW outlet 10 minutes away from where I live (super handy when I need inks, bases, or to ooh and ahh over their bits catalogue) and I've never got any attitude from them, we've talked about D&D, one employee even showed me his player's handbook he was keeping behind the counter.
Is the guy with the hidden book still employed by GW blairgb?
Not likely unless he is very good at subterfuge!

As far as talking about D&D, you are saying they said good things about it?
They did not point out how you should be playing WF-RPG instead?

You are in Canada in the province of British Columbia, right?
You do not have your location posted; go into your profile and put it in please.
That way we all can understand better from where you are speaking.

If you are in BC, that would mean that this GW retail shoppe you are speaking of is one of the farthest outposts of GW-dom from either the US or Canadian HQs.
"Chaos-induced" thinking is possible in such distant lands blairgb; continue to encourage it!
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#13129
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Why do we still have to put up with these pathetic rantings? It has gone beyond a joke. Can we please have an 'ignore' button on this forum?
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