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#66481
Structural vs Furnishings Rematch 3 Months ago  
I think it's time to revisit the discussion about furnishings. This has come up a couple-few times over the years, but there are lots of new forum-goers who might want to weigh in.

Should DF make (more) furnishings (in Dwarvenite) or should they continue to concentrate their efforts on the structural pieces they already make?

Some things to consider in this discussion include...
- Current availability of (unpainted) furnishings from other companies, and competition with companies already established in that market.
- Opportunity cost of brand diversification -- every furnishing piece or mini that DF makes is a structural piece postponed.
- Dwarvenite vs the plastic accessories DF already makes.
- The range of possibilities, and how much is enough?
- Floorspace, furnishings, and miniatures placement.

Some definitions, just so we all speak the same language...
- Structural pieces represent part of a building or structure, the walls and corners and floors and doors that DF already makes. Columns and fireplaces also fit in this category, even if they are sculpted/cast as standalones.
- Furnishings are things that are added to fill a building or structure. Cabinets, bookshelves, chairs, desks, rugs, paintings, tapestries, and so on.
- Decorated structural pieces are walls and floors that have furnishings as part of the sculpted piece itself. The MBS floor with the bearskin rug and the MBS candle wall are examples of this, as well as proposed items like walls with shields or tapestries.

Thoughts?
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#66486
Re:Structural vs Furnishings Rematch 3 Months ago  
Gooooosh Jack! Great Post Subject! Want all of the Ideas Posted.

BUT.....

Stefan has done his best to DOOM! my wallet and I don't think I can concentrate on more stuff until after NOVEMBER!

After all.... 'Wallet of Doom Zombies' should be the next DF Product.



Think about it..... A mass of shambling Dwarvenite Skeletons and Zombies ....Mindless and holding their wallets out for the rise of Zaltar and his almost Evil plans.
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#66490
Re:Structural vs Furnishings Rematch 3 Months ago  
I think that the lizardmen by Sandra Garrity are a step in the right direction. I feel that DF can contract out good artists for some projects and instead of keeping the line as "crafted by Stefan" to instead follow the tagline "World's finest miniature terrain" more and more. I would love DF to be a one-stop shop for all of my tabletop needs, at the highest quality. Furnishings, rugs, structural elements, etc. Yes to all, just make sure they're in stock and of the highest quality at a fair price.

For example, if DF could stock some of the Griffin Tamer large gates, I think that would help both GT and DF with exposure and variety.
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#66491
Re:Structural vs Furnishings Rematch 3 Months ago  
I would be more excited to see additional structural pieces and variety in structural buildings and gridded, sculpted, df outdoor locations.

Aside from psom miniatures, there's really nothing compatible that compares to the quality of the df modular structural prices. (Though I've seen some pretty nice, carefully measured hirst stuff, the plaster is a turn-off.) given that I have several shopping options for dungeon dressing that look good and work well with df, and very few shopping options for compatible terrain of df's quality standards, my opinion is that I would personally love to see more structural things; being able to build out a changeable miniature world for my maps is awesome!

That being said, if df did more kickstarter dwarvenite accessories, I'd probably pick up a pack. (But I'm personally not as gung-ho for them because there are several companies that already make products that fill this purpose. )
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#66494
Re:Structural vs Furnishings Rematch 3 Months ago  
I think that DF should maintain a focus on structural elements, but I also think there is room for a bit more in terms of accessories, furnishings, and figures.

As to figures, the release of a set of quality figures (lizard men tribe, little devil pack, etc.) is sufficiently different at the price point from what I can find in most of the market. Quality prepainted figures in a themed set aren't commonplace enough at a competitive price imo. It is also great that we can get the same set unpainted if we want so we can more readily customize them. Maybe releasing a set or two with each KS or every other KS would fit for DF financially and give us enough options?

There are many accessories out there, but not very many prepainted. I already have a huge painting backlog and it is growing. Siege engines, fortresses, boats, hundreds of figures, furnishings, etc. My desire to purchase more things that need painting is waning rapidly at this point! It's not that I won't purchase anything that needs to be painted, but I am becoming much pickier about what I will buy unpainted at this juncture. I don't know about everyone else, but the quality and pricing of DF dwarvenite minis makes them a better deal than most competing products by a bit for me.

Lastly, making them out of plastic is fine so long as they have comparable durability to say HeroQuest bits or better. I have owned a number of plastic bits, some are pretty durable, some not so much.

The short version: more furnishings and figures would be wonderful, but I would prefer that the majority of the focus remain structural.
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#66526
Re:Structural vs Furnishings Rematch 2 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
I'd like to see some dressings, but would like to get MBS in dwarvinite first. I've got plenty of dressings in resin but I play in a basement and I'm forever fearful I, or more likely one of my players, will drop my stuff on the concrete and break it. For that reason I don't use it that often. I'd buy things I already have if I could get them in dwarvinite. Plus then I'd feel as comfortable letting my kids get into my dressing as I do the tiles, which would be great.

I would like to get a real nice MBS set first though. I think I mentioned before, I'd kinda like to see an MBS kickstarter next and then an all dressings kickstarter for the following. I doubt it would happen, but it would be awesome for me. If we could just get a lot of dressings add ons that would be great too though. I don't care if I can get it elsewhere, I want it in dwarvinite.
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#66528
Re:Structural vs Furnishings Rematch 2 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
I know for me to pledge the next KS it needs to be dwarvenite. I would not pledge for a resin KS most likely.

I am fine with MBS being next, but I would like to see a lot of accessories add-ons there.
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#66529
Re:Structural vs Furnishings Rematch 2 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
jimibones83 wrote:
I don't care if I can get it elsewhere, I want it in dwarvinite.



I agree Dwarvenite is great. But I do find it strange this Topic was started in the Feedback Section for Fantasy Master Maze products.

As a Dwarvenite only customer I also want it all in Dwarvenite but I know the cost of molds are going to limit some things from being made.

I think some things will only happen if they are part of a larger Dwarvenite KS such as MBS or RotA. We gamers need furnishings even more when we have just added a bunch more structural pieces.
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#66530
Re:Structural vs Furnishings Rematch 2 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
I put the thread here for a couple of reasons.

One is that there isn't really a section for GameTiles general discussion -- everything is geared towards the actual official KSes, not about preferences for future KSes. Historically, this has been the part of the forum where we discuss ideas, potential products, and customer preferences in general.

Another is that this discussion affects all DF customers, not just Dwarvenite-only or resin-only customers. DF has already said that limited edition sets will still be made of resin. And accessories are just as likely to be made of plastic, like four of the five accessory sets DF already produces. Dwarvenite is great, but the start-up costs are prohibitive outside a KS, and then only worthwhile if the items are expected to sell in very high numbers.
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#66531
Re:Structural vs Furnishings Rematch 2 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
I have dungeon/room accessories from the following producers

TSR (under their varios liscencees back in the 80's)
WOTC (some card stock items and a few appropriate minins)
Games Workshop (parts from their plastic lines)
Hirst Arts casts I bought on Ebay
PSOM - tables, sofas, rugs
Turkish dollhouse rug manufacturer recommended on this site
Thormarillion - desks, bookcases for both regular library & alchemist/ mage

and Dwarven Forge.

THe dwarven forge,PSOM and Thormarillion are the highest quality. the benfits of the SOM and Thormarillion include individual sales of items. the downside is having to paint the pieces.

the DF accessories are beautiful and painted but only available in a set and very few sets at that.

more DF sets would be nice and dwarvenite would be even beter but I expect we shall only see those as part of a Kickstarter.
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#66532
Re:Structural vs Furnishings Rematch 2 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Three of the five existing accessory sets are still in stock. Not sure that accessories sell in sufficient numbers to justify dwarvenite. Plus, the generally more complex shapes may not be compatible with metam molds.
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#66535
Re:Structural vs Furnishings Rematch 2 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
As for existing accessories...

The two most useful: Tavern and Dungeon are sold out.

Ancient Treasure is VERY setting specific.

Medieval Furniture seems REALLY expensive for those of us spoiled by the Dwarvenite Dungeon Dressings.

Woodland... i have no idea. While i don't own it, I love this set and the accessories and hope to get some someday when i have space. Not sure why others haven't taken to this set...

I think there is an appetite for good, inexpensive accessories and dwarvenite is the right medium. I won't start the list of needs again (we have done that several times) but getting economical sets to create the most often used adventure areas seems like a no brainer to me.

JEff & Stefan can tell how well these products will sell by looking at Dungeon Dressings from KS1 and Mushrooms from KS2 as a guide post.

I am not suggesting that they release 12 accessory packs in the next KS, but i do believe that there is room for one or two each go around to start building an accessory line in dwarvenite. I will buy them. Count that as one preorder ;)
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