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#65078
Crystalline Caverns 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
This is a suggestion for someday, not a "DF should do this instead of something you like".

I'm suggesting it for resin because I think it's a specialty "niche" set, not a set that would sell the several thousand necessary for Dwarvenite, but I'd be happy to see it in either medium.


I hope to see a (limited edition?) cavern set based on Fingal's Cave, with vertical hexagonal crystalline stone formations. Color-wise, I'm thinking that a metallic blue or green might be striking.

The basic pieces would be two variations on a straight wall, two variations on a corner wall, and one or two floor pieces. I would make the floors similar to the GT Cavern floor with the pebbling, only with large hexagonal shapes instead of small round stones. I might also skip the grid, since these are 2x2 pieces.

I really like the GT Cavern narrow passages, so a narrow passage and an end cap/alcove should be included, but only one version of each and only a few per set.

For dressing, the three standards -- a crystal cluster stalagmite, a crystal pedestal, and a crystal cluster column (wider at the bottom and the top, please).

One of the cool things about Fingal's Cave is that the hexagonal crystals actually define the water's edge, so doing chasm edge pieces (the negative space approach) is the only border necessary. One "straight" edge, and one inside corner.

The next piece is another wall piece with a hexagonal hole in it. This can serve as a critter hole by itself but it would actually be designed to hold a large clear crystal piece, which might be included in the same box but might be in a second box with more clear crystal pieces.

Freestanding straight and curved clear crystal pieces could go along the opaque crystal wall and corner pieces, or they could be used as spell effects. A clear crystal cluster stalagmite, pedestal, and column round out the clear pieces.

Except for one final possibility -- a clear crystal formation on an opaque base that holds a battery and a pulsing LED.


I envision this as a supplement for standard caverns, not as an entire cavern complex unto itself, so that's all of the pieces I think it needs. This could be done in one or two boxes as a MasterMaze line, or three to five packs as a GT line.

Thoughts? Additions? Rebuttal?
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#65080
Re:Crystalline Caverns 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
jackattack wrote:
This is a suggestion for someday, not a "DF should do this instead of something you like".


First off i want to say i applaud your caution in making this suggestion These forums have become a bit of a minefield lately and you never know what someone will overreact to. I laughed out loud at your first line disclaimer!

You have brought these caves up before and i think they are fantastic. Totally surreal and straight out of fantasy and yet they really exist?!?!? AN absolutely bizarre environment that would be very useful for creating a different mood (Underground fortress of a high level mage?, Dwarven Citadel?). I think they would make a cool set. I agree that resin is probably right, as i doubt that they would get to critical mass in Dwarvenite.

My only concern would be how to resolve the hexagonal nature of the crystal cave with the 5' square that we are all stuck with due to game mechanics. Perhaps this could be a hex based set for those who play other systems. Not sure how much demand there is for that but the one hexagonal terrain set that i have seen talked about in these forums seems to have a fairly high resale value due to scarcity and demand... Stefan might find it fun to "get off the grid" and design something in hexes...
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#65084
Re:Crystalline Caverns 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Except from my reading Fingel's Cave is basalt not crystalline. Interesting that they are hexagonal, but all grey.
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#65090
Re:Crystalline Caverns 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Hadn't really thought about it cause i'd followed the picture links earlier and have "seen" the actual caverns, so i understood what jackattack meant. Then i started thinking about what it means to be crystaline... turns out both are correct:


crystal |ˈkristl|
noun
1 a piece of a homogeneous solid substance having a natural geometrically regular form with symmetrically arranged plane faces.
• Chemistry any solid consisting of a symmetrical, ordered, three-dimensional aggregation of atoms or molecules.
• Electronics a crystalline piece of semiconductor used as an oscillator or transducer.
• a clear transparent mineral, esp. quartz.
• a piece of crystalline substance believed to have healing powers.
• informal short for crystal meth (methamphetamine).
2 (also crystal glass) highly transparent glass with a high refractive index : [as adj. ] a crystal chandelier.
• articles made of such glass : a collection of crystal.
• the glass over a watch face.

it is both a geometry and a translucence - so you can be crystaline and opaque - but i think if you are making caverns, you gotta put some translucent columns in the mix too, cause that is just cool
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#65093
Re:Crystalline Caverns 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
The basalt formations of Fingal's Cave aren't actually crystals, but they look enough like crystals that it is easier to describe them that way, especially to someone who doesn't know Fingal's Cave from Antelope Canyon (which is another geology I like to go on about). By adding transparent/translucent pieces, the set also (hopefully) evokes the Giant Crystal Cave in Mexico -- but not too closely, because the topography of the real cave would be impossible to balance a miniature. I'm not trying to create a scientifically accurate representation of unique real world geological phenomena, I'm trying to create a subterranean fantasy environment for miniatures skirmish battles.

Basalt is grey, but DF already sells a grey cavern set (or two). Making it blue or green would further distinguish it from those sets, especially when both are side by side on the table. Making it metallic (is it possible to make something "a little" metallic?) is my way of indicating that the formations aren't normal rock, without trying to get the factory to attempt any of the very good but difficult paint jobs I've seen that make convincing opaque crystals. These are, however, just suggestions, and I am open to anything that looks good on my gaming table.

If Stefan wants to go hexagonal, more power to him. There's an old thread somewhere around here for the interior of a giant hive that also might work nicely in hexagonal. But I think that something similar to the GT Cavern Floor B -- a flat square surface with raised hexagonal detailing -- might also work for a square grid, especially if the grid isn't marked on the floors. (At 2"x2", you can just align miniatures with the corners.) Plus, anybody who wants to can paint between and around the relief for their own custom water/lava/acid/beer/whatever crystalline cavern.

If the opaque and translucent pieces are sold in separate boxes, DF might consider ordering 1500 opaque sets and 1000 translucent sets. I think there are a number of customers who will only want the basics to make a new cavern chamber without the clear expansion bits. If everything fits in one box it doesn't matter.
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#65096
Re:Crystalline Caverns 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I am all in with the idea crystalline Caverns. I hope translucent or even clear PVC is possible. Stefan is talented enough to pull it off.

Basalt and limestone are rocks. Crystals are minerals.I would like to see both types of caves.

Basalt





This is cool and a must have. The geology is not important in a fantasy setting but we are familiar with nature even if we don't have formal training. It won't look right, even if we can't say why,if it is not natural.

Crystal cave



Crystals of one mineral. I think it is calcite but I did not look it up. All kinds of cool combinations can occur.

This is what I think of as Crystalline caverns.



Most of the large crystals are cast resin. The quartz is painted as amethyst. There are Fluorite and iron pyrite crystals too.The clear crystal is ice cast in clear plastic.The small amethyst crystals are cast from Hirst Arts molds most of the rest is Armorcast. I pulled them out to illustrate you can get good results with opaque cast. The small crystal with the face is white metal.

Stefan has produced a wonderful limestone cave system. I would like basalt and crystal caves too
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#65111
Re:Crystalline Caverns 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Both concepts sound great for future ideas especially in MM. I don't think it could be done properly in PVC.
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#65118
Re:Crystalline Caverns 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
It may look cool but would it sell enough sets to cover the costs? Not so sure about that one.

Maybe one way to test the waters would be to make a small set of 'plonk down' crystal pieces that people put down in their caverns to make them more crystal looking, rather than an all out crystal caverns set.

Of course if it sells like hot cakes then that would suggest a full crystal cavern set might be a goer.

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#65119
Re:Crystalline Caverns 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
David Wasilewski wrote:
It may look cool but would it sell enough sets to cover the costs? Not so sure about that one.
Dave


I do not have a way of knowing. I have not done any kind of product research.
Maybe we can get some kind of idea from the enthusiasm for the topic.

"Maybe one way to test the waters would be to make a small set of 'plonk down' crystal pieces that people put down in their caverns to make them more crystal looking, rather than an all out crystal caverns set.Of course if it sells like hot cakes then that would suggest a full crystal cavern set might be a goer."

That is a good idea but for there are already dozens of plonk down sets already available. I would purchase or make more but I want something new rather than more of the same. I will support what ever direction DF takes.
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#65130
Re:Crystalline Caverns 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Oldmanwillow wrote:
This is what I think of as Crystalline caverns.



Most of the large crystals are cast resin. The quartz is painted as amethyst. There are Fluorite and iron pyrite crystals too.The clear crystal is ice cast in clear plastic.The small amethyst crystals are cast from Hirst Arts molds most of the rest is Armorcast. I pulled them out to illustrate you can get good results with opaque cast. The small crystal with the face is white metal.

Stefan has produced a wonderful limestone cave system. I would like basalt and crystal caves too
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That's a very nice looking set of crystals. I've always been partial to the clear resin cast crystals or the real ones like some here have made, but the paint job on those amethyst ones really make them.
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#65132
Re:Crystalline Caverns 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Something similar to the purple crystals in the foreground of oldmanwillow's picture is what I envision for the walls, but taller, thinner, and straighter.

Unfortunately, a plonk down set doesn't seem to be possible. We've been making suggestions about test sets and small sets and so forth on the boards for years, but DF has never done it. And if the thousand or more sets of the limited editions is an actual factory minimum order, they can't.

What might work is to offer this as a resin kickstarter with a high funding goal. It might have to be an exclusive, one-time only, limited to kickstarter pledges only deal, so it would need lots of advance notice and some advertising. I think making this a one or two set line would be part of its appeal.
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#65134
Re:Crystalline Caverns 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I will support what ever DF decides to do.

Thanks jchunick on the paint complement.
The Armourcast crystals are cast resin. I used purple over black primer. I dry brushed them with lavender. I used a purple wash over the center of the crystal face. The gloss is cheep Walmart brand clear gloss.



Hirst Arts Mold #85 the base is from #282

Available separately here
www.nalsworkshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=201#morepics

The small crystals were cast in white hydrocal. They were painted the same way. Anna made them when she was nine . They are treasure markers.
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