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#6267
Are we losing some key sets? 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
Hey all...

I know that the Narrow Passages set is gone - that was never a big deal for me at all, frankly. However...the question that burns in my mind is : are we losing the Advanced Builder and Wicked Additions (1 & 2) sets? They've been "out of stock" for quite a while now. I hope they're just getting new batches produced and that they're not going away permanently.

Can one of the Dwarves chime in here about these items?
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#6268
Are we losing some key sets? 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
I can see if the ABS set didn't sell, it may be a bad idea to keep it around. Personally, I see it fitting in more well with the current approach, $50 boxes, than with the old one. The problem is, the set gives minor little tweaks to what you have, but nothing as exciting as things like the Fantasy Floor set or the WA sets. For a lot of money, you're getting something with not much "flash" to it.

But the WA sets, it would be tragic if they went away. I got into DF because my local store had a setup, and it was things like the mermaid fountain and the demon archway that really grabbed my attention. The whole setup was great, and I'm a fan of all the fantasy sets, but it's the WA sets that anchor the displays. I'd add the Fantasy Floor set to that now, but I think it would be awful to cycle those out of production. At least keep the flashier elements from them around!

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#6269
Are we losing some key sets? 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
I agree, L, but I hope they keep the parts of the ABS around; I mean, it's just too useful to have those 6" long hallway pieces (especially if, like me, you do HUGE dungeon set-ups).

But the Wicked Additions sets going away would be a tragedy.

EDIT:

I just had a phone conversation with Jeff, and he reassured me that the sets aren't going out of production - they just have to buy an assload of them from the manufacturer. He said it'd be summer when they got the next production run in. So let's be patient. :)
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Are we losing some key sets? 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
I just had a phone conversation with Jeff, and he reassured me that the sets aren't going out of production - they just have to buy an assload of them from the manufacturer. He said it'd be summer when they got the next production run in. So let's be patient.

Very good news indeed. :)
I have WA 1 & 2 and plan on getting one more of each. They are really useful. Same thing about the Cavern set I suppose. I noticed it isn't in stock either.

What I found "bizarre" is the disparition of the Octogonal room set. Why did it disappear? Didn't sell well?
As for Narrow Psg and Advanced Builder sets, I'd probably get some if they were still available (and still wonder about getting the actual pieces separately, by the way, as most of them seem to be still available).
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#6271
Are we losing some key sets? 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
I just had a phone conversation with Jeff, and he reassured me that the sets aren't going out of production - they just have to buy an assload of them from the manufacturer. He said it'd be summer when they got the next production run in. So let's be patient.

Very good news indeed. :)
I have WA 1 & 2 and plan on getting one more of each. They are really useful. Same thing about the Cavern set I suppose. I noticed it isn't in stock either.

What I found "bizarre" is the disparition of the Octogonal room set. Why did it disappear? Didn't sell well?
As for Narrow Psg and Advanced Builder sets, I'd probably get some if they were still available (and still wonder about getting the actual pieces separately, by the way, as most of them seem to be still available).


My FLGS still has an Octagonal Room set and a narrow passages set but I just can't see what good the narrow passage set is (speaking for myself).

Maybe I'll pick it up anyhow. *shrug*
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Are we losing some key sets? 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
I just had a phone conversation with Jeff, and he reassured me that the sets aren't going out of production - they just have to buy an assload of them from the manufacturer. He said it'd be summer when they got the next production run in. So let's be patient.

My FLGS still has an Octagonal Room set and a narrow passages set but I just can't see what good the narrow passage set is (speaking for myself).

Maybe I'll pick it up anyhow. *shrug*


DD:
The news about the ABS and WA sets is very good to hear DD.
Thank you for making the phone call.
These sets have a wide range of pieces that can be quite useful for a fantasy setting or even a low-tech locale for SF.

There are two very good reasons that I am severely missing the narrow sets myself DD.
1) With the use of several conversion pieces the narrow passage pieces make for interesting choke points when used with the normal pieces when dealing with serious combat, especially ranged combat.
2) What you seem to be missing DD is that the narrow passage pieces are the best ways to support second level construction.
They work better than any of the column pieces and they are much better than any of the other pieces in supporting upper story construction.

You may want to go right ahead and get that Narrow Passage Set from you local store.
It will be quite worth the price when building large settings.
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#6273
Are we losing some key sets? 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
I agree with RF, the narrow passage set pieces are great as supports for a higher level.

Also -- you can use the narrow passages as walls, so you create not only two adjacent rooms, but you also have a narrow passage between them. I much prefer that approach to using it on its own -- on its own, it does seem rather pointless, a repeat of the regular passage set but, well, more narrow. I think of it is as passage elements that don't leave a lot of blank table space the way the regular passage elements do.

I'm also fond of using them to suggest ruins -- just a big stone column standing alone near a wall. Replace walls and corners with various narrow passage elements and you get a nicely messy crumbly room.

It's a versatile set, I'm surprised more people don't see its value.

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#6274
Are we losing some key sets? 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
Oh, you kind hearted GMs. You fail to realize that the narrow passages provide the ideal opportunity to deprive a PC group of a number of advantages against their opponents.

For one thing, they are prevented from ganging up on a single opponent, which tends to make short work of even a higher CR creature. Secondly, they have a hard time shifting if a threat materializes from the rear. Their ranged attacks are severely limited, meaning they don't get the combined arms advantage.

Lining up the PCs in a narrow passage is usually enough to make them start sweating right there. The fear factor alone can be worth it.

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#6275
Are we losing some key sets? 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
I stocked up on the narrow passages when they were going, I have 2 sets and some extras. I find them quite useful myself. Do people not have 5' wide passages in any of their dungeons?
I am not sure I would have any real long term issues with any of the older sets going away at this point. I have enough of them to keep me busy for many years to come:

2 Room Sets
2 Advanced Builder Sets
2 Narrow Passage Set
1 Short Passage Set
1 Room and Passage Set
1 Octagonal Wall Set
1 Diagonal Wall Set
1 Wicked Edition I
3 Wicked Edition II (although one of them is warped)
2 Cavern Set
1 Cavernous Passage Set
1 Traps II Set
1 Traps I Set
1 Fantasy Starter Set
1 Fantasy Floor Set
1 SciFi Starter Set

2 sets of 4 Narrow Passages
1 Curved T-shaped Cavernous Passage
1 set of 4 Floors with Pits
1 Torch Wall
2 Twisted Cavernous Passage conversion
7 6" Long Cavernous Passage
2 Curved Cavern Passage
1 set of 4 Cavernous Short Passages
2 Cavernous Passage Corner Conversion
1 L-Shaped Cavern Passage
1 Wooden Ramp w/ Stone Boulder
1 Set of 8 Pillars
1 4-way Cavernous Passage
1 set of 2 2" Walls with Pits
1 6" Long Passageway
1 4 way Passage Piece
1 Dungeon Accessories Set
4 sets of curved walls
1 set of passage traps
1 Set of 4 Dead End Caves
1 L-shaped passage with 4 swinging traps
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#6276
Are we losing some key sets? 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
My Main Concern is really with the 6" walls and the 4x6 and 6x6 Floors... VERY useful those...

BrvHeart,

Wow, that is a Nice List of DF you Have there!
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#6277
Are we losing some key sets? 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
BrvHeart,

Wow, that is a Nice List of DF you Have there!


MLV, I too, was starting to wonder about some folks' signature lists.
Are we going to start talking about codpieces too?
These signatures lists just seem to be on that level to me.

Granted brvheart, yours is not a signature list.
It did seem to be a bit much though without a query.
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#6278
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That is why it is not on my sig. I just finally got the list compiled. Wanted to record it somewhere. Couldn't find the thread that asked it, sorry.
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