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#61248
Features VS Furnishings 4 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
I know we've done this before, but I thought I might reopen the debate.

Should DF focus on modular architectural pieces and environmental features, or should they make more accessory sets with furnishings and dressing pieces?

And how should accessories be handled? Small blister packs or large box sets? Generic or specific to DF lines? DF takes on items available elsewhere, or unique/under-represented items?

And just to stoke the fires further -- should DF do this in-house, or should they license one or more companies to sell DF accessory sets?

Discuss.


(While, of course, realizing that none of this is binding on DF, and that they are more than welcome to do anything they damn well please.)
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#61252
Re:Features VS Furnishings 4 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
This is gonna sound stupid, but personally I'm waiting for the time when dwarven forge makes absolutely everything, and hopefully I can get it all in dwarvinite lol. I've got quite a bit of terrain now, all resin with exception to my game tiles. There are some nice pieces elsewhere but dwarven forge is the best and they arethhe only ones offering dwarvinite. I like he peace of mind that if I buy something in dwarvinite I know I'll never have to fix it or buy it again
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#61254
Re:Features VS Furnishings 4 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
My preference is to concentrate on architectural pieces and modular pieces. I like their accessories (mainly because they are pre-painted) but can find those most anywhere in greater variety. For the KS, I'd like to see the Dungeon Accessories (the one with sandbags and fur beds), but prefer they focus on a variety of pieces that can be used for the actual dungeon. Crossing my fingers that we see 1-2 new pieces (read narrow passages) that match the original game tiles release.
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#61255
Re:Features VS Furnishings 4 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
I've had to buy piecemeal from many different sources the kinds of accessories I wanted for my table. It would be tricky to "do it all" but that's not to say I don't applaud the idea. I've seen previous Dwarven Forge accessories sell for a premium on eBay because of their limited availability. I've also seen casts made of said accessories (which come with the usual limitations) so there is interest in their production.

That said, I also would like to buy accessories in Dwarvenite, since homemade casts can are more fragile and vary in quality. Yes, there are a lot of other accessories on the market from various sources, but not everyone combs the internet to find them all, or has desire to paint the pieces themselves, or pay multiple shipping costs from various sources. I imagine Dwarven Forge would have to make a lot of these pieces to make the manufacture cost effective, but the Dwarven Forge name would drive a lot of business toward that effort. The convenience of one-stop shopping for pre-painted accessories shouldn't be overlooked.
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#61257
Re:Features VS Furnishings 4 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Okay, materials seem to be another aspect of this issue.

I will point out that many of DF's accessory sets have been a high quality plastic.
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#61261
Re:Features VS Furnishings 4 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Personally, I like the idea of DF licensing. There would be additional work with quality checking and some book keeping, but this would open the door for an official dice bag, some terrain bits they lack the time to mess with (trees, mats, etc.), and perhaps even some apparel.

For dungeon and town accessories, Hirst molds do quite a bit and a healthy portion is available prepainted from one source or another. That said there are certain things that tend to be rather pricey from many sources that DF might be able to leverage a better price while maintaining quality. Small boats, like row boats, tend to be kinda pricey from many sources, but it seems like they would use no more material than a corner wall. I think DF could easily make a profit producing cool set pieces that aren't available elsewhere or by making a "better mousetrap" so to speak; i.e. accessories that their process will let them make cheaper and just as good or better than a competitor. A mine set would be awesome. It could be used in existing and forthcoming cavern sets. To my knowledge there is only one other actual set around and it is pretty pricey. I would figure that DF can probably match or better their offering.

The short version is: yes to licensing and to making accessory sets in house both. Smaller packs are good for things that gamers will want a lot of so they can buy a mess of them. Larger packs are better for sets of things you don't need a lot of duplicates of normally.
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#61263
Re:Features VS Furnishings 4 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
In the last week I have been coming across and further scouring the net for various accessory pieces and trying to find the best stuff out there (there's a lot of crap, in my opinion). These are the ones I found that are of a good to high quality or just carry unique pieces I haven't seen anywhere else:

www.tabletop-art.de/
- they have, what look like high quality pieces such as: shelves, books, maps, scrolls, candles and candle holders, stacked boxes and barrels sets, bottles and small bottles sets, bookshelf and commode set, various humanoid and animal skulls, and other stuff that I was not interested in.

www.reapermini.com/
- adventuring accessories, familiars, altar, candelabra, treasure - books, magic treasure - stack books, scrolls, book on pedestal, and more... their listing sucks as it doesn't break it down into accessories as a sub category AFAIK.

www.ziterdes.de/
- I'm not sure about the quality of all their pieces, but they have quite a range of quality stuff I haven't really seen anywhere else: Alchemist shelves, Necromancer shelves, tons of statues - this would be the place to go for variety and quality, lions fountain, various tombstones, gargoyle statues, torture chamber, fireside, and more.

www.fenrisgames.com/
- these guys have some, what look like, decent to nice pieces such as: unique styled treasure chests, variety of styles of coffins, bell jars (many broken), egyptian styled jars, canopic jars, urns, cool dragon gate, celtic floor highly detailed celtic patterns, 4 sets of celtic runestones (2 stones per set would make a nice magical circle of standing stones), stone lion pedistals, lots of columns both full and broken, rubble - various styles, gravestones - various, road signs, roadside markers, crates and barrels, large skulls, runestone markers, dead tree, etc. Cthulhu and Cthulhu-inspired pieces.

tabletop-world.com/
- they produce the highest quality/detailed pieces I have seen of anyone, which include: groceries, supplies, furniture, tombstones, a hill, dead tree.

minimonsters.eu/
- fences, dwarfs entrenchment, skulls, gargoyles, ruined columns, corinthian columns, obelisk, statues, variety of different styled/sized barrels and crates, doors, dragons teeth (barriers mostly used for wargaming), guard tower - high quality but not as high as that of Tabletop World.

www.dark-art-studios.co.uk/
- the quality seems to range, and they tend to have a more cartoon-y style to me, but that could also be the bright paints used in the example pics... anyways, they have some unique pieces, which include: Rack & Iron Maiden set, various style treasure chests, graves, tombstones, gravestones, firepit, campfire and cauldron sets, coin mounds, wooden barrels and crates, various skulls and banners inc. animal skull banner.

www.midlamminiatures.co.uk
- they don't carry much but they do have some good quality unique pieces that I definitely haven't seen anywhere else, for example: Astrologer's Kit - telescope, astrolabe and globe, nice goblin throne, sign posts - good quality, cart wheels, trap doors, trap doorways showing various trap styles, round open doorways, torches lit and unlit, torturer's brazier, knight's lance. Then there's the less unique such as tables and chairs, wishing well, chests - which are ugly, weapons sprue, weapons rack.

www.mirliton.it
- driver with mule and barrels of wine
- driver with mule ad trunks
- farmer leading mules with sacks
- mules with knight's luggage
- woman plucking a duck
- cook with rolling pin and dough
- farmer with mule hauling wood
- cook with rolling pin at table
- medieval wagon with two horses pulling cart, and driver
- country woman
- sheep, pigs, chickens, Ox, medieval trumpeter
- much more town accessories

www.scotiagrendel.com/
some unique accessory pieces like the Grills and treasure piles... there's the Stone Bridge, Portcullis, Unearthed Crypt, Dragon Altar, Pub Snug... all £7.00
The Dais would be great for modding (ie. the braziers). Dragon's Horn and Shaman's Fungi would be great additions for the caverns.... there's much much more... great casts, looks like top quality.

www.nalsworkshop.com - custom cast crystals in translucent resin, great for the upcoming DF Caverns Kickstarter

www.ebobminiatures.com/
- small footbridge, large bridge, small gothic pillars, townsfolk, table and benches, pony, row boat, various medieval buildings (imported from the US)... very small selection, but looks high quality

maxmini.eu/
- very small amount of stuff, but looks excellent: Candles, books, skulls, chalices, scrolls, fur cloaks, fur pelt and drake cloak, leather lappets, various skulls, backpack, pouches, canteen, bedroll, various shields, crates, roadside shrine.

ainstycastings.co.uk/
- this place has some great stuff for warfs and docks, etc.: various ships, incl. pirate ships, stone jetty (end piece and steps also), wooden mooring posts, gangway, floating jetty, catwalks, bouys, trade goods - piles of goods that you might see down at the docks, lots of good variety not seen elsewhere. They also carry some cemetary pieces (headstones, mixed memorials - they look like obelisks to me, tomb), dungeon settings, rock and cave setting pieces that look nice, some nice ruined city pieces such as the lion statue, a sewer system but DF is going to be doing that one for their next KS.

www.customkingdoms.com/
- this one doesn't have much, but it does have a few nice Hobbit holes, and two nice guard towers, as well as floors and cottages, very stylized cast trees and tudor houses.

www.thomarillion.de/
- top quality and wide range of stuff... too much to list right now... this whole list is getting big. Will add later. Just go check it out in the meantime.

www.etsy.com/shop/CicadaCrafts
- the only Hirst Arts mold makers on here. They have gotten great reviews by DFers on the forum who have purchased from them and their stuff looks top quality. It comes painted, in many cases, too. Good prices, pieces cast in various materials - resin, plastic, plaster (Merlin's Magic). They have a nice campfire piece.

otherworldminiatures.co.uk/
- familiars, campsite, adventurer stores, adventurer cart, altar and braziers, fountain, font, treasure items, several pack mules, the Demon Idol & diorama pack.


Because of this search my perspective is that DF could/should produce more accessories to enhance and support their current and future sets. Having just gotten into miniature 3D terrain I am in the position of needing to populate my DF set with accessories and scene dressings. This can get expensive, fast! But, on the other hand, you can get a lot of stuff for the same amount you might spend on a set or three or a high quality building, for instance. I think that in DF's case it would also help generate cash flow, which, based off what I can tell, seems to be sorely lacking in their business model right now.
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#61265
Re:Features VS Furnishings 4 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
That's a good point about shipping costs from multiple vendors too. I've spent a good chunk of my tax return on dungeon accessories this week, about $1,000. I ordered from games workshop, FRP, armorcast, thormillion, and tabletop world. I bet $200 went to shipping to to number of vendors and 2 of them being over seas. I got tons of stuff coming though:) Ol lady is a lil upset though lol
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#61266
Re:Features VS Furnishings 4 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
IanBenjamin wrote:
I've had to buy piecemeal from many different sources the kinds of accessories I wanted for my table. It would be tricky to "do it all" but that's not to say I don't applaud the idea. I've seen previous Dwarven Forge accessories sell for a premium on eBay because of their limited availability. I've also seen casts made of said accessories (which come with the usual limitations) so there is interest in their production.

That said, I also would like to buy accessories in Dwarvenite, since homemade casts can are more fragile and vary in quality. Yes, there are a lot of other accessories on the market from various sources, but not everyone combs the internet to find them all, or has desire to paint the pieces themselves, or pay multiple shipping costs from various sources. I imagine Dwarven Forge would have to make a lot of these pieces to make the manufacture cost effective, but the Dwarven Forge name would drive a lot of business toward that effort. The convenience of one-stop shopping for pre-painted accessories shouldn't be overlooked.
Thats another good point. I bought from 5 vendors this week, 2 of which are in Europe. I bet I paid a total of $200 shipping
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#61267
Re:Features VS Furnishings 4 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
@jchunick tabletop world is pretty awesome. Their style is spot on what I like and their sculpting is amazing. Unfortunately I think their resin is pretty fragile. I don't have alot of resin to compare to though, and I only have a couple ttw accessories to base my opinion off of. However I like the look of their stuff so much I went ahead and ordered a pretty large order last week anyway. I'll post an update when I receive my next package
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#61271
Re:Features VS Furnishings 4 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
@jimibones83,

I just put an order in too, but not too big. I picked up the cottage and well... I want to get more, but I need to save up for this month's DF KS.si

I would love to find their old pieces just to have the variety as they look different from the new stuff so it would fit a town setting nicely (which I'm trying to slowly build), but I can't find anyone selling any pieces.

I'm a huge fan of their style as well. It's juuuust slightly fairytale-fantasy and that really appeals to me. Not to mention their attention to detail and how they go about building their models from actual stone pieces they cut and lay individually just as if you were to build a full-sized building. Lastly, I love that their buildings are built with detail on the inside as well. Everything is so detailed and clean. I've seen several videos of people, including other sculptors, who talk and rave about the same things after receiving and building their pieces from Tabletop World.
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#61272
Re:Features VS Furnishings 4 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
I just bought all the Cthulhu pieces from Fenrir, my players destiny is to visit a Mindflayer Pod. Yes they are big trouble. Ill post pictures. Thanks for posting these links.
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