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#56888
MasterMaze (Resin) Kickstarters 1 Year, 2 Months ago  
In another thread, Kitenerd wrote:

While we are speculating wildly i would like to toss another idea into the ring. Stefan just gave us some insight into the long lead time required for Resin LINK Hopefully work is in progress on some of these sets already or will start soon so that in demand products can be once again available (lets NOT make this thread about THAT). Seems like a big portion of the expense is the container. What about smaller Kickstarters for lower demand items (no one needs 10 sets of traps, or 10 sets of wicked additions - ok some of you might, but most of us would just want one or two). Doing this would create enough volume to fill a container and keep shipping costs down and containers coming regularly. I'm thinking shorter Kickstarters with more niche appeal and the expectation of selling 1-2 sets each to 1,000 people, just enough to get a container full and have the resin ride along. They could conceivable even cap the kickstarter at the container volume (minus resin space) and offer a second wave when the next resin product is ready to ship. This opens the opportunity for lots of add-on sets without a full blown Kickstarter and it keeps fullfilment at a more manageable level.

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#56890
Re:MasterMaze (Resin) Kickstarters 1 Year, 2 Months ago  
I believe that would be strictly against the ToS of KS and it would get shut down. I'm not sure if it could work at IGG or one of the other crowd funding sites.

I still think the best option is an integrated, pre-order system with their existing store that knows
a) what's a viable minimum run for production
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b) what's a viable minium volume for shipment

Ie to be cost effective they probably need to order a few hundred per set and it might be 1000 sets per container. So they'd need to get 2-4 resin sets to their minimum factory order threshold in order to fill a container.
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#56892
Re:MasterMaze (Resin) Kickstarters 1 Year, 2 Months ago  
Wth Jackattacks cut and paste the link to Stefans post went away:

www.dwarvenforge.com/forum?func=view&catid=21&id=56455&limit=12&start=48#56614

I was thinking that those kickstarters would be for Dwarvenite Addons and Accessories and that the Resin product would just benefit from all of us Dwarvenite addicts paying for the shipping container... Resin doesn't really need a kickstarter (more of a preorder as discussed elsewhere) because the upfront costs of sculpts and molds have already been taken care of. However if Game Tiles enthusiasts can in some small way help keep the Resin line viable and available, then i feel like we should do that.

Not sure about KS terms and conditions, but clearly waves of shipping are OK because that is how Bones II is operating (and wisely so given the level of grumbling over their first KS - once again hats off to DF for setting and meeting an expectation). I am just brainstorming for ways that DF can get the critical mass of filling a shipping container without having to make 6 different resin sets at once (a lot of upfront cash). That way product could arrive on a more regular basis and there wouldn't be the huge peak and valley cycle that seems to have been following the previous restocks.

Just a thought to explore.
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#56894
Re:MasterMaze (Resin) Kickstarters 1 Year, 2 Months ago  
Cross posting from the other thread to avoid hijacking that further:

Thing is I think that Stefan and Jeff have chimed in that MM and GT are handled by different factories and thus happen on different schedules. Arranging for them to share a container means a lot of extra logistics that I suspect would eat into margins (there's bound to be delays at one of the two factories, thus they need to pay extra storage costs, etc)

I think the simplest & best way for Dwarvenite to help Master maze is to increase cash flow. Given a stronger cash flow, and accumulating profit, I think we'll be able to see better stocking levels of Resin and new Resin sets. This also means that the bread & butter sets can't be priced to have a super low margin -- that margin is what helps restock everything else (even if the everything else has a higher margin) -- they need the cash flow.
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#56896
Re:MasterMaze (Resin) Kickstarters 1 Year, 2 Months ago  
It's true that there are no development costs that make a KS necessary for MasterMaze, but there are (as stated previously) minimum orders -- minimums which have, in the past, been stretched out over several shipments.

If DF were to hold the money they intend for a full container restock, then hold a kickstarter for that restock, they wouldn't have to worry about a "ceiling" to accommodate the container. If (for example) the kickstarter raised enough money to fill two full containers and 15% of a third, DF would spend 85% of their restock funds to fill the last container and keep the rest in the bank. (Or use less of the pre-approved loan, or whatever.)

Plus, since all but a portion of the shipment would go to customers immediately as kickstarter fulfillment, less than a full container would go to inventory, keeping space free to restock (or KS) other resin sets. And since it was a kickstarter, you only need the restock inventory for customers who missed the kickstarter itself.

And if the kickstarter is a big enough success, it might exhaust the contractual agreement for the minimum order in a single shipment, instead of several.

Does that make any sense, or did I miss something?
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#56909
Re:MasterMaze (Resin) Kickstarters 1 Year, 2 Months ago  
From what I understand, Kickstarter is somewhat strict about how you can use existing product lines. If it has been made before as an actual sales ready product and not as prototypes I believe it isn't allowed as an actual pledge reward. I have seen some KS use existing products as add-ons for a a standard pledge, but while they went through unmolested I don't know if that is because it was kosher or because KS just didn't get reports on it.

Someone correct me if they have knowledge to the contrary, but that is what I have been led to believe thus far.
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#56911
Re:MasterMaze (Resin) Kickstarters 1 Year, 2 Months ago  
How does that work with the Reaper Bones kickstarters? I thought those were mostly plastic re-castings of existing metal minis.
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#56915
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The Reaper KS are to raise the capital necessary to fund making the special molds for casting plastic. Once the KS is finished, minis are available for regular sale (in metal, as well as cheap plastic/bones).
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#56923
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That is the way I understand it, since they are re-making the product in the new material it passes muster. The ones that had the add-ons were usually offering up a previously existing rules PDF or a previously existing miniature for a small fee. The fee was typically the same as their web store price or slightly less, the main benefit seemed to be that it meant the shipping would be absorbed by the kickstarter shipment.
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#56931
Re:MasterMaze (Resin) Kickstarters 1 Year, 2 Months ago  
Okay, what about applying the same model to brand new MasterMaze lines in resin, limited edition or unlimited?

When DF decides to make Serpent Temple sets (calm down, it's just a hypothetical example) for MasterMaze, they run a kickstarter. They meet their goal and fill three containers and half of a fourth. Jeff and Stefan figure out what they want to order at the same time to fill that last half-container using DF's money. (Which might be more Serpent Temple, or might be any of the existing resin sets in any combination.)

Again, DF fills up the last container without impacting the kickstarter's profitability and spends less on a restock than they would otherwise have been committed to. And since the kickstarter funds were for a new product line, it doesn't violate the terms.


Or, DF could use another AoN crowd funding service.


Another possible effect of using crowd funding for new MasterMaze products is that entire multiple-set limited editions might be released all at once. I don't know if this is a benefit or a drawback.

Thoughts?
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#56938
Re:MasterMaze (Resin) Kickstarters 1 Year, 2 Months ago  
IS there a date for DF KickstarterV - The Serpent Temple?

Will it be compatible with DoE because it would be awesome if it was?

Do we have a date for this kickstarter?

I'm in! I'm in!


OK seriously...

I like the idea of smaller Kickstarters (once the blockbuster KS's are over). I think they could easily be back timed to correspond with planned production in order to facilitate optimizing containers.

I don't like the idea of multiple sets being offered in one Kickstarter. I used to have stupid amounts of disposable income, now we are rennovating a 70yr old house and raising three kids it gets hard to find a few hundred here and there to spend on game stuff. Less offering per kickstarter is easier on my wallet. Less offering per kickstarter also is easier on DF spreading production, risk and fullfillment challenges.

In an earlier post it was discussed that DF could have enough capital reserves to fill the remainder of a container. I would be willing to bet if they had those reserves that container would already be steaming across the ocean ;) In a perfect world we would all be rich. In this world we need to all do what we can so Stefan can realize his artistic vision, Jeff can keep the company stable and we can get new toys!
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#56942
Re:MasterMaze (Resin) Kickstarters 1 Year, 2 Months ago  
Regarding the availability of cash reserves...

I think this was part of the purpose of the kickstarter was to generate cash flow and raise enough capital to maybe get out in front of the restocks (financially speaking). Whether the money comes from profits from sales, a loan from the bank, or pre-orders, DF would only be spending as much or less to "round up" to another full container. And MasterMaze kickstarters could be timed according to when the cash reserves grow large enough to fill a full container (even though they probably won't have to).
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