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#54009
Rotating Room 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Hello! I've been in this forum for years but this is my very serious post. I was looking one of my 6x6 large floors, when I've had an idea to show here: a rotating room! It's quite a simple thing..just 2 pieces: a circular room and a squared 4 ways piece. A column or a fountain can be glued in the center of the room as handle to rotate it. What do you think about it? Stefan, I'd like to know your opinion too...


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#54010
Re:Rotating Room 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
All I can say is if DF produced this fantastic piece. I would buy 4 right now!
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#54011
Re:Rotating Room 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
We've had a couple of suggestions for ways to make DF rooms rotate, but this is the first design we've seen for a rotating piece. And it's beautifully illustrated.

Design-wise, it is also very good. It adheres to the multiples-of-two paradigm, and it's basically the same size as an "X" intersection. However, at 6"x6" both pieces would be among the largest that DF has cast. And each opening is compatible with any standard DF door.

Why do I like this "working" piece more than others? It only has two parts (three if people go for the key idea) and the one lifts straight out of the other. Nothing is hidden or threaded or permanently attached.

Just for clarification, does the floor inside the curved wall rotate, or just the curved wall itself?

If only the wall rotates, it might be easier to turn (less friction due to less surface area) but I would add some protrusions at the top to make it easier to get a proper grip. Would a long free-standing curved wall might be prone to warping during manufacture?

If the wall and the circular floor inside it both turn, the turning floor may have to be a step up so that the static floor and the turning floor are both thick enough to keep either from being too fragile. Protrusions along the top of the rotating wall would make it easier to turn. Could the suggested central feature (column or fountain) be done as a key so it doesn't have to be a permanent feature?

In either case, this piece probably wants a circular groove, or felt or guides on the inside of the posts, to prevent the inside surface of the posts from abrading the outside of the curved wall.

Very intriguing idea for a specialty piece.
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#54013
Re:Rotating Room 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
That's a clever idea.

I see a couple of possible design improvements. The outside diameter of the round wall could be increased to 6". This would solve a few issues including reducing the total amount of resin (expensive) necessary to cast the piece with the four massive corners and including keeping the round wall to be still modular for other uses. In regards to the question whether the round wall should be (1) free-standing on a specialized 6*6 piece or (2) be a piece of its own with complete floor, surrounded by the squarish walls, I'm not sure what's the best solution. First solution, the free-standing would allow for a good opportunity to make the clever 6*6 room from ROTA (link) into the classical dungeon resin line. I see a couple of production problems as jackattack pointed out since resin pieces are sometimes warped, and this design would be very unforgiving on the long round wall and compromise the rotating of the piece. The second solution would give us a complete 6" wide section of a round tower! I see a lot of DF users already stacking them to make towers!!! With this concept, we would not need the specialized 6*6 piece anymore as 4 new resin pieces (foot-print of a 2*2 piece, corner wall on the outside, curved wall on the inside) would make the trick of completing the 4 corners. Being 4 independent resin pieces, they would allow some flexibility in regards to slight resin warping.
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#54014
Re:Rotating Room 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
I played around with my present classic resin Set in trying to reproduce RIGOR's concept as is. Here it is:



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#54016
Re:Rotating Room 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
That is a great idea and design. Like dandare, I would certainly buy it! I think it would have to be a custom piece though. But if DF made it, it would be an excellent reward piece for preorders on a new set. Can you imagine this in Catacombs? Ooooooh...
Biowizard, thanks for those pics. That really helped me to better visualize the concept. Those acrylic rods may have more than just one use!
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#54018
Re:Rotating Room 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
I like this for classic MM dungeon resin, especially if it will do double duty as a tower room (although I still like the L-shaped tile with curved wall as cast by Rodenbach for towers).

But if the 6"d round room (as a single piece) fits inside four corner pieces and four floor tiles, do we need a a 6"x6" base with corner posts (as a single piece)? It's very cool as two nesting pieces, but that might save half of the materials cost.
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#54019
Re:Rotating Room 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Thank you for your comments! I've added some fast drawings to show my main concept..


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#54021
Re:Rotating Room 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Rigor, your new drawing shows us that you prefer what I called "option 2", the round wall makes for one single piece with the floor it stands on. I think the "outside" squarish piece as you drew it would be too fragile as jackattack pointed out. A piece of 1/3" * 3/8" of resin (the outside piece at its thinnest) won't hold together without eventually breaking the massive chunks of resin on the corners with normal use and wear. I think once again that bringing the external diameter of the roundish wall to 6" would allow the build of towers (I once again support Rodenbach's approach as jackattack does), keep modularity whatever the context and allow for smaller (in term of size, volume and costs) corner pieces as well as be forgiving for slight resin warps.

Nice drawings by the way, is this free hand?
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#54034
Re:Rotating Room 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
It makes perfect sense as RIGOR shows to have the central circular 'corridor' built like that.
It is then also dual use. Imagine a number of those as simple 'Circular' pop down and use rooms.

With regards to the Large 'Outer' 6 x 6 piece.
Surely this simply does not need to be one piece but 4 x the same corner design.
It would make for easier manufacture. Single smaller mould. and allow for some essential 'play' so that the single central 'corridor' (or room) could actually be turned on its felt base and not scrape or scuff the sides of the larger 6 x 6 setup.

I would also note that IF the 'surround' corridor was made in 4 parts, it could also be used in a number of different combinations as a 'central diamond / cross' with interesting curving sections of floor could be some central raised dias if placed atop of other floor pieces. Again - making the parts more flexible and multi-purpose.

The 'circular' room, could then also at a later date have a custom made spiral staircase that perfectly fits inside. With a new modification and releasing a circular room with a 'whole' for people to get through would mean that with the original being the 'bottom' and the new modified version being all others where you want to change levels - A number of these stacked could make the beginnings of a multi level tower for some castle or grand curved stairwell or staircase descending into who knows what...
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#54092
Re:Rotating Room 10 Months ago  
biowizard wrote:
Rigor, your new drawing shows us that you prefer what I called "option 2", the round wall makes for one single piece with the floor it stands on. I think the "outside" squarish piece as you drew it would be too fragile as jackattack pointed out. A piece of 1/3" * 3/8" of resin (the outside piece at its thinnest) won't hold together without eventually breaking the massive chunks of resin on the corners with normal use and wear. I think once again that bringing the external diameter of the roundish wall to 6" would allow the build of towers (I once again support Rodenbach's approach as jackattack does), keep modularity whatever the context and allow for smaller (in term of size, volume and costs) corner pieces as well as be forgiving for slight resin warps.

Nice drawings by the way, is this free hand?


Yes, all drawings are free hand. About the outside piece, I'll work on it!
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