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#36494
I've figured it out! My favorite DF set! 4 Years, 9 Months ago  
It seems like every time DF releases a new setting, it instantly becomes my favorite, the pinnacle of the art. First the cavernous river and lake sets, then MBS, then ROTA, now Hellscape... they keep topping themselves!

So rather than try to figure out which is best, I've decided to rank them in categories highlighting the strengths of each:

Most Versatile: DUNGEON
There's no getting around the fact that DF has made more STUFF for the dungeon setting than anything else. Not only is there a ton of stuff you can do with the dungeon elements, you can build all sorts of things out of them. Cottages, castles, dungeons, taverns, whatever, in a fantasy game, everything can be built of stone. And the ABS sets and Wicked sets have made it possible to make any number of locations as fleshed out as possible, with as much variety as possible. No other setting has given us so much.

Best Looking Set-ups Even When Totally Uninhabited: CAVERNS
Of everything, the one setting that can be used to create the most intricate, detailed, complex, and generally awesome layouts - without putting any accessories, miniatures, or anything else in them -- is the caverns. The Cavernous passages, the Chasm Set, the river and lake sets -- you can make a truly funky, three-dimensional, stunning environment just with the basic building elements themselves. It's the only setting that won't look "bare" if you set it up without filling it with goodies.

Best Looking Pieces Just to Stare At: ROTA
Given everything I've said about the caverns, ROTA would look awesome even if it DID look a little empty. It's just a truly kewl setting, with the sun frescoes and the detail in the tiny little mosaic tiles, the bricks, it just is gorgeous. A single building element from ROTA is already art, you could frame it and stare at it all day just for what it is. (true of everything, but particularly true of ROTA for me)

Best Looking Setup When Fully Furnished: MBS
The MBS setting has the coolest tiny little details and lends itself best to these things, I think. You've got the fireplace and the candles and all the amazing tavern accessories, like the turkey platter and the mugs. You've also got the swivel bookcase, the stairs, the railings. It's the most fun to "dress up" and gives the best "hustle and bustle, crowded, exciting and loud" kind of atmosphere. (on the downside, it's the biggest hassle to set up and take down for pictures, because of all the tiny little pieces that are so much fun to look at!)

Most Creative and Imagination Running Wild Sets: (tie) DoE and Hellscape
I'm a traditional "castles and taverns" kinda fantasy player, but there's a touch of Lovecraft fan in me, too, and DoE and Hellscape both serve as fantastic backdrops for climactic magical encounters against Beings From Beyond Time. When Raistlin goes to the Abyss, when a necromancer breaks the fabric of reality with Dark Magiks, these are the sets you need. Most importantly, though, these are the sets that really give us something unusual, something outside the norm. More DoE, to be fair, than Hellscape, but both together really take things to another level in terms of confronting us with the unexpected.


So there you go. That's why I think it's so hard to decide on my "favorite" DF setting. Each has a distinctive appeal, and none can rival one another in their unique sphere of excellence.

L
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#36495
I've figured it out! My favorite DF set! 4 Years, 9 Months ago  
I agree. It was seing a set up of caverns and cavernous pasages together that blew me away and started my addiction. In the UK there is a big wargamingshow called "Triples" that takes place over a weekend every year in Sheffield. A few years ago when DF was still being sold to retailers in the UK I saw the cavern set out there and bought 3 cavern sets and 2 cavernous passage way sets. Each year for 3 years after that I saved and went back and bought another 4 or 5 sets. That is what gave me my 'core' collection. (after 3 years you could no longer buy retail) I have bought all the cavern water related sets direct from DF since then and will buy anything else that is released Cavern related in the future. Cavern range is still my favourite by a long chalk.

Dungeons, yes, these are the most versatile and are the ones that are used the most despite it not being as "wow" visually as the other ranges. To be honest I think I have enough and are unlikely to buy any more of these direct from the states because of the price issue.

MBS - This is my second favourite range. I bought 6 MBS sets and 4 expansions and use them a lot. I have a lot of well painted lead minis and stacks of painted furnishings from various suppliers so this looks awaesome when it's furnished! I would buy anything else that came out for this range.

DoE - I cracked in the end and bought 2 of each of the 3 set types. I hardly ever use them to be honest but they are a nice "end of level" change to the dungeons. I would buy a new set of DoE if it was stuff to go in it. Hellscape looks cool but at the current prices I won't be getting any as I know it will be another set like DoE - it looks cool but is rarely used.

RoTA - looks really good but is too 'similar' to DoE and basic dungeons for me to justify buying into.

Where to go next....? I would like more stuff to go into any of the above environments. An alternative building type for MBS. A sidewalks and streets expansion (city scape) and a foray into the great outdoors?

Top stuff - keep it up!

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#36496
I've figured it out! My favorite DF set! 4 Years, 9 Months ago  
It seems like every time DF releases a new setting, it instantly becomes my favorite, the pinnacle of the art. First the cavernous river and lake sets, then MBS, then ROTA, now Hellscape... they keep topping themselves!

So rather than try to figure out which is best, I've decided to rank them in categories highlighting the strengths of each:

Most Versatile: DUNGEON
There's no getting around the fact that DF has made more STUFF for the dungeon setting than anything else. Not only is there a ton of stuff you can do with the dungeon elements, you can build all sorts of things out of them. Cottages, castles, dungeons, taverns, whatever, in a fantasy game, everything can be built of stone. And the ABS sets and Wicked sets have made it possible to make any number of locations as fleshed out as possible, with as much variety as possible. No other setting has given us so much.

Best Looking Set-ups Even When Totally Uninhabited: CAVERNS
Of everything, the one setting that can be used to create the most intricate, detailed, complex, and generally awesome layouts - without putting any accessories, miniatures, or anything else in them -- is the caverns. The Cavernous passages, the Chasm Set, the river and lake sets -- you can make a truly funky, three-dimensional, stunning environment just with the basic building elements themselves. It's the only setting that won't look "bare" if you set it up without filling it with goodies.

Best Looking Pieces Just to Stare At: ROTA
Given everything I've said about the caverns, ROTA would look awesome even if it DID look a little empty. It's just a truly kewl setting, with the sun frescoes and the detail in the tiny little mosaic tiles, the bricks, it just is gorgeous. A single building element from ROTA is already art, you could frame it and stare at it all day just for what it is. (true of everything, but particularly true of ROTA for me)

Best Looking Setup When Fully Furnished: MBS
The MBS setting has the coolest tiny little details and lends itself best to these things, I think. You've got the fireplace and the candles and all the amazing tavern accessories, like the turkey platter and the mugs. You've also got the swivel bookcase, the stairs, the railings. It's the most fun to "dress up" and gives the best "hustle and bustle, crowded, exciting and loud" kind of atmosphere. (on the downside, it's the biggest hassle to set up and take down for pictures, because of all the tiny little pieces that are so much fun to look at!)

Most Creative and Imagination Running Wild Sets: (tie) DoE and Hellscape
I'm a traditional "castles and taverns" kinda fantasy player, but there's a touch of Lovecraft fan in me, too, and DoE and Hellscape both serve as fantastic backdrops for climactic magical encounters against Beings From Beyond Time. When Raistlin goes to the Abyss, when a necromancer breaks the fabric of reality with Dark Magiks, these are the sets you need. Most importantly, though, these are the sets that really give us something unusual, something outside the norm. More DoE, to be fair, than Hellscape, but both together really take things to another level in terms of confronting us with the unexpected.


So there you go. That's why I think it's so hard to decide on my "favorite" DF setting. Each has a distinctive appeal, and none can rival one another in their unique sphere of excellence.

L

Thanks L,
what are your thoughts on the Sci-Fi line?
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#36497
I've figured it out! My favorite DF set! 4 Years, 9 Months ago  
It's a great idea, and I wish it had a bigger audience so it could expand.

I love the basic approach that was taken - the design of the floors, the piping all over the place, the removeable panels on the larger floor pieces, the telescreen built into the ramp piece. I think it's a striking environment, and a great backdrop for all sorts of encounters. I think the most recent set, those stunning modular terminals, really make it shine (hence my showcasing of them alongside HS in my recent posts). I'd love, love, LOVE to see more from it -- large viewscreens, sick bay, transporter room, motor pool, engine room... there's a LOT of potential. Unfortunately, it's REALLY unlikely to the point of hopelessness that any of that will ever happen....

The problem with the SF line, and maybe one reason why it's tricky from a business perspective, is that it needs to be much BIGGER (and hence riskier) than a fantasy line to work. You need enough to make a fully-realized interstellar craft, and an HQ, and a way station, and this, and that, and the other thing. And some people like a 1950's "clean lines and curves" design, others like a 1970's "dirty, rusty, and rain-pelted" look, and others like a 2000's "smooth and clear and white" look. So even though everything out there now is really cool, it's an uphill battle to get it really going on par with the fantasy lines -- because it would need to have 10 different sets out there before some people feel like there's enough available to make it worth picking up ANY of it. Frustrating.
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#36498
I've figured it out! My favorite DF set! 4 Years, 9 Months ago  
It's a great idea, and I wish it had a bigger audience so it could expand.

I love the basic approach that was taken - the design of the floors, the piping all over the place, the removeable panels on the larger floor pieces, the telescreen built into the ramp piece. I think it's a striking environment, and a great backdrop for all sorts of encounters. I think the most recent set, those stunning modular terminals, really make it shine (hence my showcasing of them alongside HS in my recent posts). I'd love, love, LOVE to see more from it -- large viewscreens, sick bay, transporter room, motor pool, engine room... there's a LOT of potential. Unfortunately, it's REALLY unlikely to the point of hopelessness that any of that will ever happen....

The problem with the SF line, and maybe one reason why it's tricky from a business perspective, is that it needs to be much BIGGER (and hence riskier) than a fantasy line to work. You need enough to make a fully-realized interstellar craft, and an HQ, and a way station, and this, and that, and the other thing. And some people like a 1950's "clean lines and curves" design, others like a 1970's "dirty, rusty, and rain-pelted" look, and others like a 2000's "smooth and clear and white" look. So even though everything out there now is really cool, it's an uphill battle to get it really going on par with the fantasy lines -- because it would need to have 10 different sets out there before some people feel like there's enough available to make it worth picking up ANY of it. Frustrating.

L, these are good points. I did start out with DF specifically for Sci Fi (Star Wars minis and RPG) and have bought all the Sci Fi in multiples. Although it would be nice to have many sets for specific building/settings I think that with the existing walls/rooms/floors I can build most of what I want -- it's the inside stuff that would be helpful to really define one setting (say spaceport warehouse) from another (say central government building). So if DF has any inclination to add to Sci Fi my wish is for more accessories (crates, barrels, desks, etc. etc. etc.). The only building part I really wish I had for Sci Fi was a freestanding/moveable wall piece (like the one from CRW set).

Between Sci Fi and Caverns (I have multiples of those too) I feel pretty good about running most encounters in Sci-Fi -- both in the ship/in a city and out on (or inside) a planet. As a side note I just love MBS too and we use it for our cantina encounters and just pretend it is a Tatooine-style building (and not medieval Europe style). Imagination does work when all else fails!
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