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#31226
Ogres Den redeux 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
I had always thought the "lack of versatility" in the Ogre's den just had to do with it being non-modular, in the sense that it's always going to be the same room with the same dimensions and same (for the most part) contents.

If people have also been objecting to it as less useful THAN ANOTHER "PRE-FABRICATED" ROOM would have been, I'm not sure what the objection is. I personally would find a library or dining area more useful in that I like them more and find them more visually interesting, hence I'd use them more. But I don't know that "bedroom" is less useful than anything else.

Part of the problem with "prefab" rooms is that they are going to have a particular "look" to them, and if that's not the look YOU personally want, you aren't going to get as much use out of them. People who, like me, want a dining room or library might find themselves not using the piece as much if it weren't the style of dining room or library they personally imagined. (I suppose if Stefan had announced "we're doing a cool room, it's going to be a monster's lair!" or "it's going to be a room where the dungeon dwellers sleep!" people might have had all sorts of things in mind, and only some of them would have been satisfied once they'd seen the Ogre's Den) What if the library were an orc-library, all rough-hewn and falling apart? Or what if it were an elf library where everything was made of crystal or gold? And so on -- what if, in general, it had so specific a "look" that it was less versatile, and only made sense in some kinds of dungeons? Then you'd still have this kind of problem, with any pre-fab room.

Maybe a room that's pre-designed in size and wall/floor decor, but lacking in contents, would be more useful? I thought the Tavern set did a good job of providing essentially a "pre-fab" room without the room -- saves no time in setup (in fact, it takes longer to use all the kewl goodies) but it does give you an instant "room in a box" from DF. So maybe the opposite of the tavern setup -- a room that's got NO contents, but is just a whole room, floor and walls pre-assembled to save time, and maybe take advantage of the opportunity to do designs that won't work in the traditional DF modular design. That could be cool -- but being bare-bones enough to be versatile also would make it less "flashy" which might make it less appealing and sell less...

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#31227
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I want one, I want one, I want one!!! With the chest!!!
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#31228
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Well mine ended on ebay about 2 weeks ago Shadox.... Anyway. It does have squares in the patern of the wood.... You must.... Look harder...................
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#31229
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I have 2 and use them all the time.
They are great for objective rooms.

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#31230
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I'm a big fan of the Ogre's Den, It's great to use as a preconstructed room in a dungeon. I just add different pieces to define what the rooms function is at the time.
It's also amazing for city settings as well as Dioramas.

I got mine on Ebay about a year ago, complete for under 80$. I would love to get my hands on another one for sure!
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#31231
Ogres Den redeux 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
I think the Ogre's Den is a fine piece. it adds a little something to an otherwise rather austere dungeon with no work. You players will know its a special room, and might spend hours searching for things that are not there.

That said, I think the Ogre's Den has two fatal flaws.

1: inch per inch, it is very expensive. 60 dollars or so at creation for 1 room.

2: You only need one. More then one in a dungeon is kind of weird... 2 identical rooms right down to the cooking fire? Because most people only buy one, and DF is used to us DF Heads buying multiples of sets... its a lot of work for less sales. The detail in that set is awesome, the thinking about where the furniture goes, and the fireplace, etc... as opposed to making 1 floor piece, one corner, one wall and selling dozens of those much plainer pieces to one customer.


But the question brought up earlier is a good one... would people buy a 30 by 30 room that was more generic? I might buy 3 or 4 such sets, depending on cost, because that plus a few passage pieces equals a small dungeon with enough fights for an evening and set up is 5 minutes...

Hmmmm.....create 3 different 30 by 30 rooms, give each one a small minor characteristic, like different floor pattern or a wall carving...., and voila... add an Ogre's Den and you have 4 different rooms you can throw down.

Anyhow, just some mental fun there, don't know if it would be feasible... but I would buy it....
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#31232
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All

I think the beauty and appeal - as well as the flaw in the Ogre Den are one and the same - it is a single piece, fully detailed, fully furnished.

The advantage is - you just take it out and you have a fully furnished room.

The disadvantage is - you take it out and you have a fully furnished room (which is hard to change in any way).

In respect of what you get for your money any single room will never be able to beat the more modular approach which seperates interior bits and furnishings from the walls (well - there are some exemptions like the mermaid fountain - but that's not the point).

So the strong bits in favour of the Ogres Den:
Fast to build up
A lot of detail

The weak bits:
No versatility
Not much floor space for your money

Now comes in the collectors bit:
As a collector we look for scarcety (tick mark), detail (tick mark), uniqueness (tick mark).

I think it is all of these above which are driving up the price of the Ogres Den. At the same time there is the question - how big is the market for such rooms - this is the question Stefan has to ask himself. And here I fear is the reason why such a new room would be a risk to make.

The first 100-200 would fly off the shelve and would get rave reviews. But then there is the risk that the remaining ones could stay in the warehouse for quite a while.

Off course - once they have run out - and a few years have passed - such a room again would become a great must have for everyone entering the hobby too late or not getting one or two the first time around.

Any solutions - I don't think any short term. The overall market would need to grow for DF to make such rooms feasible again. They fill a need - but it is a smaller one as for the generic sets.

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#31233
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I have always liked the Ogre's Den, Visually, but understand how it is not very versatile...Over a long time we did sell quite a few, probably a couple thousand in all.... We may eventually do some other "theme" rooms...If I could just lower the quantity and the price...I think we could bring it down to $49 and devise some ways to make them somewhat modular as well...I've been toying with such ideas on and off for a long time....but I always get sidetracked with some larger project....like I am now.....
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#31234
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....but I always get sidetracked with some larger project....like I am now.....
Which is ???????????????????????????


And, back on topic ... I was lucky enough to get the Ogre's Den off Ebay a few years ago before they became so pricey. I love it !! It gets more use as a stand-alone building than as a dungeon room for me, though.

- Hag's Cottage

- Burned-out House

- Home with stair to living space above

- Shop

- Small Tavern (before MBS)

I'd buy more themed rooms if Stefan made them !!!
Heck, if he makes it, I'll buy it ... weak-willed fanbio that I am :D
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#31235
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I'd buy more themed rooms if Stefan made them !!!
Heck, if he makes it, I'll buy it ... weak-willed fanbio that I am :D

Indeed!!!
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#31236
Ogres Den redeux 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
I think producing a room piece that's not so specific, and more modular would be nice additions to the DF line. Although I still really want an Ogres Den. (keeps an eye on e-bay)
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#31237
Ogres Den redeux 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
I have always liked the Ogre's Den, Visually, but understand how it is not very versatile...Over a long time we did sell quite a few, probably a couple thousand in all.... We may eventually do some other "theme" rooms...If I could just lower the quantity and the price...I think we could bring it down to $49 and devise some ways to make them somewhat modular as well...I've been toying with such ideas on and off for a long time....but I always get sidetracked with some larger project....like I am now.....
We await the day with great anticipation!
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