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#29607
Outdoor Terrain Tiles could be useful 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
Big ones, maybe 12" square, made of painted rubber with 1-inch grid.

Boy, you could sure do a lot with that.
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#29608
Outdoor Terrain Tiles could be useful 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
There has been a LOT of talk about doing outdoor stuff -- the general consensus seems to go against it.

Me, I think it could be pretty cool. For one thing, with no "walls" to worry about, just floors, a single set could cover a lot of space on the table. Figure one basic "grass" set, one "swamp" set, one "mountain" set maybe, which would basically be a lot like the cavern set. Some accessory sets with boulders, trees, etc. Seems cool to me.

But the general opposition seems to be twofold:

1. Too many other places sell this kinda thing to make a resource investment on the part of DF a good idea.

2. There is less need, since it's not THAT hard to come up with your own outdoor terrain. Plus, working out strategies and so on for a game is a lot easier when you only have to track things like a crop of trees, maybe a small hill, a stream. It's not like the elaborate setups that we can do with DF where it really does feel like any skirmish in these environments really REQUIRES a product like this to game. Armies massing on an open field? Eh, who needs to spend $500 to approximate that?

But I'm always up to hear defenders of the idea add to the votes. Me, I don't suppose I'd mind if DF never got around to "wilderness" stuff, but I'd LOVE to see a "township" set to complement the MBS. Cobblestone streets, street signs, sewer grates, a city gate....stairs to overhead walkways, railings... there are lots of cool things DF could do that, together with the MBS stuff, could make for a FANTASTIC gaming environment. And a fantasy urban backdrop can be just as labyrinthine and claustrophobic as any dungeon....

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#29609
Outdoor Terrain Tiles could be useful 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
And you could have open water tiles for lakes... oh, wait... nvm...
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#29610
Outdoor Terrain Tiles could be useful 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
Try Zuzzy - they do an increasingly wide range of outdoor rubber gaming mats - only problem is no grid.

I have been calling for the "great outdoors" for years now. Hopefully the MBS set is the first step on the path to this.

I 100% agree re the 'snackiness' of an urban set. Also, how about a medieval village set with "hedge walls" and track/field "floor pieces" with some special individual pieces like a hanging tree, a well, a village stockade wall/gate set. (Think like the old school role playing game maps from MERP and Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh).

There is a lot of other stuff out there already but hardly any of it comes pre-built and pre-painted and with a combat grid!

That combination, in my opinion is DFs unique selling point! (as well as very high quality).

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#29611
Outdoor Terrain Tiles could be useful 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
All

Here are some general thoughts about outdoor terrain - from a user of Hexon II.

One big issue with outdoor terrain is storage. You get a lot of 4'by4' boards - mainly done for wargames - but they tend to be inflexible and are a pain for storing. Hexon II boards are a quite neat solution - as they are hexagon based hollow hard plastic with a different choice of flock on top.

The downside compared to larger 4'by4' boards - you have to be careful not bumping into them - or they move. Yes - you can clip them together - but just look what happened to the bow ties.

Hexon II tiles are - as the name suggest - based on a hexagonal grid. Having a square grid would be more compatible with the existing DF. DF works great on top of these tiles - but I miss a border hexon tile to seemlessly move from a Hexon tile to a cavern or a lake.

So for compatibility reasons - and speed to set up I assume a 8''by8'' square would be the best size. This would be the equivalent of 4 lake floor tiles - and 36 of these would form a 4'by4' square - an important size for wargaming and typical table sizes.

But what would be the challenge of a square grid ??


1) I would expect the issue of tiles moving to be even worse as with the Hexon II tiles. Yes - you can clip them together - and for Hexon boards you get them with clips - but it is a pain using them. So I tend to clip together a few boards on the corners - and leave all the rest. As Hexon boards interlock - this works fine. For straight rows of square boards I wouldn't expect this to work as well.
2) Straight lines look unnatural. What makes Hexon II boards pleasing to the eye - even if you move from one terrain (grass) to another (water) is that you not necessarily have straight lines.

Surely there are ways to get around the issues mentioned above. But I would regard it a challenge on a square base to match boards like Hexon II - and even more a challenge to surpass them.

And so far I'm used to get the best what's on the market from DF.

Having said that - I can see a better business case for outdoor stuff which is modular and goes on top of a board. Like hedges, streets, etc. Below you can still have something like Hexon, Zuzzy or just a green felt mat.

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#29612
Outdoor Terrain Tiles could be useful 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
I would welcome an outdoor town set to compliment the MBS. MBS treet tiles and outdoor town accessories would be a cool addition. I can see lots of opportunities for street encounters, bar brawls spilling out into the marketplace, sneaking around buildings at night, etc. General outdoor terrain would be neat, but I think harder to use and sell as battle grid DF style pieces.
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#29613
Outdoor Terrain Tiles could be useful 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
Cityscape would be more useful.

The great outdoors can easyly be made other ways: printouts, or gaming mat with a few accessories (trees)
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#29614
Outdoor Terrain Tiles could be useful 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
I'm with crioux; a GOOD, QUALITY vinyl gaming mat, preprinted with dirt, grass, water, rock terrain, bushes, etc., AND A 1" GRID overlay - and space for village - would be a PERFECT accessory. Especially if it were produced with the quality we've gotten from DF.
The reverse could be done strictly city streets.
Put this together with Woodland Scenics or similar terrain features for trees and bushes, plus some rocks, etc., from DF (and perhaps a rockpile with a CAVERN OPENING, Hint, Hint) and we'd be set for outdoors environment. MBS, especially once it gets all the enhancements and accessories that Jeff and Stefan seem to be planning down the line for THAT line of products (and crioux' line of roofing materials!) will handle anything less than city, and the current Dungeon and DoE lines will handle major city; I suspect RotA will take care of Big City stuff from ancient eras.
Perhaps, IF enough interest is generated, a Sci-Fi mat could be produced, city on one side (space station?), and asteroid base on the other.

Any thoughts from the DF gurus?

Stefan?

Jeff?

Bueller?
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#29615
Outdoor Terrain Tiles could be useful 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
I've been looking at the Zuzzy mats, and they look terrific. I've no problem with a lack of gridlines - one can always break out the ruler (a la Warhammer). Currently for the great outdoors I use a Chessex battlemat in woodland colors with 1" hexes. I prefer hexes to squares for outdoors - there are no problems with diagonals (don't get me started about 4E on this one!).

I do think more city terrain would be welcome. I do know that Miniature Building Authority makes some nice painted buildings - I've a couple of their ruined townhouses, and two of their scaffolding sets. Their town wall sets look very nice - I'll have to get some.

But if Dwarven Forge did more town stuff, I know it would rock.

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#29616
Outdoor Terrain Tiles could be useful 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
I prefer hexes to squares for outdoors - there are no problems with diagonals (don't get me started about 4E on this one!).
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#29617
Outdoor Terrain Tiles could be useful 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
I purchased a lot or 2 of the hexon pieces. nice stuff. I tried I would rather see DF make ohhhh I don't know... Maybe.... hmmmm.... ICE CAVERNS, tar pits lava pits, ROTA stuff, ABS2 stuff, flooded cooridoors, dwarven mines HOG sets, and whatever else. Otherwise I make a quick board.

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1 bottle of olive green poster board paint
1 bottle of brown poster board paint
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spray glue
sprinkle sand
spray paint green/brown

Outdoor done.
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#29618
Outdoor Terrain Tiles could be useful 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
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