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#23169
Rooms -- Library 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
"Rooms" is an idea for expansions to the Fantasy line that enhance the existing pieces without creating an entirely new line. A "Rooms" set is not necessarily a room unto itself -- it might be just a few pieces that allow the builder to add pieces to other DF sets to evoke scenes and environments not previously available.

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Just when you thought it was safe...

This was an idle notion that quickly became more ambitious.

Having a set of shelves is always useful. It helps set up a wizard's/scholar's library, or the study in a lord's home. or a sanctum of dark knowledge, or all sorts of things. And there are several miniatures sets available on the market that feature shelves with various things on them, from books to potions to miscellaneous adventuring gear.

But a set of DF shelves could be made to act as a set of freestanding walls to break up large rooms, or even to create mazes. If we had three or four instances of shelves that same height and length as a standard 2" wall, and perhaps a square column (wood or stone) to go at right-angle intersections, then library shelves would make for an interesting type of wall. Since they would be carved on both sides, three or four instances would translate into six or eight facings, which adds up to lots of variety. "Shelves" may also include "racks" with scrolls in the slots.

Set against a standard wall in the various lines (Fantasy MM, Den of Evil, Medieval Building) they can also potentially mark secret doors (although they would reduce the dimensions of the room by about 5' on each wall they were set against). Concealing a door in a bookshelf was not an uncommon feature in affluent homes.

A Library set might contain two of each instance of shelf, and a couple of columns, for a total of eight to ten pieces. That's a VERY affordable set that offers lots of potential use.

In addition to full-height shelves, a couple of instances of half-height shelves might be included. The ubiquitous book-stand-with-open-tome would be great, as would a desk with a blank scroll and a stool (for transcription of written works). Adding a few of these items brings the set up to thirteen or fifteen pieces, still eminently affordable.

So to recap, that's shelves as walls, and some accessories to round out the set. They can be used to line the walls of a mid-size room, or to break up the interior of a larger room, or even to create a maze in a huge chamber. And they can be used in three of the existing DF lines in a variety of decors and situations.

Thoughts?
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#23170
Rooms -- Library 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
Like the idea of shelving....specially since I'm trying to do the same in real life to stash all my RPG stuff :) Wife's getting on my case about all the stuff in plastic boxes absolutely everywhere!!

I guess my question if we go down this route is are we talking free standing type shelving....ie cabinets...in which case, why not just go down the miniature route, making the pieces more versatile. Granted there is the additional hassle of painting the stuff, which is possibly a hassle for some gamers (myself included in that list), but the pieces would be more useful.

Or are you talking about shelving built into the room wall. ie attaced to the wall? I can see that being useful as well, and perhaps not cutting into the room's footprint as much.

I would put my hands up for the second option. The first.....to be honest, I would probably pick up as well, just coz I'm useless with a paintbrush :)
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#23171
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I actually mean freestanding shelves (or cabinets if you like, but I think of enclosed storage with doors), double-sided (books and/or scrolls on either side), with a footprint about 2" long and a little less than 1/2" wide. Yes, it cuts into the room's footprint, but that's inevitable.

Building shelves into the wall itself means making entire pieces, mounted on floors. Those walls and floors would then have to match one of the three sets (Fantasy, DoE, MBS), or worse would require three sets of pieces to accomodate them all. It means making straight walls and corner pieces, and possibly (secret) doors. That's not what I'm going for. That's a new line of products. What I mean is a set of versatile accessory pieces that could go with ANY of those sets, and be placed at any point within a setup -- even in the middle of a Cavernous setup, if that's where we want to put them.

I also mean for these to be prepainted just like all DF products. But there is absolutely NOTHING to prevent any customer from taking a paintbrush to them and REpainting them -- DF is just as customizable as any mini out there, it just happens to come with (really good) paint already on it.

DF makes terrific architectural pieces. My "Rooms" posts are suggestions for ways to increase the possible number of settings that those pieces can represent WITHOUT creating a new line for each and every possible decor. Sometimes that involves actual architectural pieces to mix in with the existing sets, but sometimes it means a set of accessories that can go with more than half of their existing lines.
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#23172
Rooms -- Library 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
I really like this idea -- this is the kinda thing I've been wanting for AGES. Fenryll did a pretty decent job with their free-standing bookshelf, and there are some neat, albeit wall-mounted, shelves from Grendel. But nobody's really done what I want. For one thing, I want shelves that look sturdy, clean, and organized -- not gnarled wood, falling apart, messy shelves. Those can be fun, but it's not how I picture my Archmage Archives....

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#23173
Rooms -- Library 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
Hey,
Sorry I misread your post. Shelves are most definitely a welcome addition. Specially ones that are prepainted and prepped by DF :)

I read your post as shelving attached to the walls, on a piece :)

By the same token, if we are looking at libary pieces, an accessory that might go well with this is a large pile of books/scrolls. Always did want to do that nutty wizard sanctum with piles and piles of books all in a mess...the mad scientist if you will :)
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#23174
Rooms -- Library 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
We can at least approximate those -- we've got a great pile of scrolls in the DF treasure set, even if it isn't quite as large as the one you seem to envision. And Reaper made a "treasure pack" hoard (was it "magical treasures II"?) that included a large pile of books. It was insanely out of scale, if you consider the books to be remotely close to average book size. Of course, they could be insanely huge books. You can see that one pretty clearly in the center of this pic (in the shadows on the floor under the balcony)

www.dwarvenforge.com/dwarvenforums/postgallery.php?pid=18133&filename=lib59.jpg


I actually want to get a spare of that Reaper set, so I can paint them all differently. I didn't do such a great job painting this set, and I wouldn't mind having a different pile in different colors anyway....

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#23175
Rooms -- Library 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
jack -

Two comments about shelves and libraries;
1.) Maze - have you EVER been lost in a library? I was, once; it helped me develop my 'bump of direction', and I also found some fascinating reading.
2.) "PUT, THE CANDLE, BACK!"

GREAT IDEA!

See ya at Shore Leave!

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#23176
Rooms -- Library 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
HA!

"Nw h wnt yw tw lssn vrrrry crflllly. Pt z cndllll bk!!!"

I love that movie!

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#23177
Rooms -- Library 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
No, Nooo! not the third switch!!!
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#23178
Rooms -- Library 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
Books are frequently out of scale in minis, for a couple of reasons.

One is practical. A book in actual (modern) scale would be very small indeed. Some versions of books from the time period were also less recognizable as such -- portfolios and quartos and the like might end up looking like wallets. If the mini is to have any chance of the cover being painted with details (a tiny image, even runes) it has to be a certain size.

The second is stylistic. Books (those bound with hard covers, at least) in medieval times were large by modern standards, and modern media may have further exaggerated that size. In addition, the Wizard's Tome (TM) is often depicted as an elaborate, oversized tome with carvings and even a lock on the cover, so books for fantasy settings are frequently influenced by that artistic convention as well.

Books on shelves are less prone to this kind of exaggeration, because they are viewed as an entire unit, not as many individual bits. We see "a bookcase", not "five shelves with sixty-five rectangular items set on end with writing on the near edge". Or we see "a winerack", not "crisscrossed pieces of joined wood in a frame holding X individual bottles on their sides". We focus in on the details as needed, but for gaming accessories we usually only need to see the forest -- the trees are just a nice bonus.
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#23179
Rooms -- Library 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
Oh, I almost forgot...

Bluecher!
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#23180
Rooms -- Library 7 Years, 5 Months ago  
Oh, I agree, and I accept that books will never be truly "in scale" for these sorts of things. Even the book included in DF's treasures set is not in scale, it's pretty freaking huge.

But the Reaper books are just absurd. They are each the size of a pony! They are, in scale dimensions, something like a three feet wide, four feet across, and over a foot thick!

Well, maybe I'm exaggerating now. But they're really freaking big. Bigger than every other 25mm scale book I've seen, by a wide margin.

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