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#18038
Boat Set 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
This may seem like a strange request, because I have no idea how this could be done, but I would really appreciate a boat set. Buying multiple sets would allow people to build bigger and bigger boats, going from a small knarr to a mighty pirate ship.

What do you guys think?
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#18039
Boat Set 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
I doubt it would be popular enough to be profitable, but I'd LOVE to see it. It sounds AMAZINGLY cool.

I can think of at least two ways to do it -- one would be a small set that created water-line models without sails or rigging -- essentially you'd be modeling the deck, castle, etc. and things like cargo area, quarters, etc. You'd be able to increase the size of the area to increase the size of the ship, but it'd be two-dimensional and just for basic shipboard encounters. (the reasoning here is probably obvious -- you can make this modular and construction-style more easily than you can once you start bringing in masts etc, or trying to make complete ships)

The other way would be to try for a full-model approach, with very few constructive elements, that can essentially make only 2 or 3 varieties of vessel. You'd still get SOME flexibility, but not nearly as much. On the other hand, the completed model would be VERY cool.

Of course, even that would have to involve greatly oversimplified rigging, and probably sails as well. The only way to get fully elaborate rigging would be to just get the completed model, and those are available already (though I'm not sure how easy it is to get a 25mm scale 17-18th century ship, which is what I'm imagining....)

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#18040
Boat Set 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
If you are going to do full models, it's probably worth looking for 1:72 scale model kits of ancient ships. I know that Zvezda makes Greek and Roman ships in that scale, but I don't know how useful they would be from a roleplaying/miniatures-skirmishing standpoint.

As for a modular deck system, it can be done IFF you are willing to make a few compromises. The sides amidships would have to be straight and parallel, rather than curved slightly outward. The sides at the bow would have to come in at a straight angle, rather than curves approaching a point. All edge pieces should probably be 1"x2", while interior deck pieces could be 1"x2" or 2"x2". Masts might only be represented by columns -- if the base is large enough, it MIGHT be possible to put a crow's nest at the top of a column, but I have other thoughts (not entirely formed) about how to do miniatures combat in the rigging.

Let me get back to you on this...
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#18041
Boat Set 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Okay, I posted some diagrams and explanation over in Cool Photos under "Ship Deck Diagrams", because that's the only place where I know how to upload images.

A boat (ship) set as I've imagined it needs only eight or nine different types of piece to work, and four of those pieces would only require one each per set to make a medieval type ship.

Six of the pieces are position-specific -- they are actually three pairs of pieces that mirror each other.

Anyway, go over and take a look, then let me know if that's what you had in mind, or if another approach is more... better.

EDIT -- www.timedesign.de/ship/ship.html has a whole bunch of pix of (and links to) various historical (recreations) ships.
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#18042
Boat Set 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
This may seem like a strange request, because I have no idea how this could be done, but I would really appreciate a boat set. Buying multiple sets would allow people to build bigger and bigger boats, going from a small knarr to a mighty pirate ship.

What do you guys think?

What games are you playing?
The only 25-28mm ship game I can think of right now is Fifteen Men.
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#18043
Boat Set 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
I would like to start by saying that I have no idea what constitute a doable and profitable set for dwarvenforge. I have faith that they know what they are doing and would know better than me if this could/should be done. I'm simply throwing an idea of my personal likings.

I'm currently DMing an almost 2 year old campaign of Arcana Evolved game (with a heavy mix of Ptolus). We're going to end the game for a couple of months and start a new one. I'm thinking about the next Adventure Path by Paizo Publishing, which centers around pirates and the sea. Having a boat set could transform this adventure in so many ways.

I don't think it would be that complicated, but this may take a lot of different pieces to accomplish.
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#18044
Boat Set 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
If all else fails, open up Word and use the Draw features to create a map of each deck (with a 1" grid "beneath" it). Legal size paper will allow you to produce slightly longer boats. For wider boats, put the port side of the map on one page and the starboard side on another -- take the printed maps to Kinko's and use their sliding paper slicers to trim the edges and tape the sheets together so the grid is continuous. (That also works with fore and aft sections.) For more durability (and less curling), try printing on light cardstock. Store these maps between two rulebooks to discourage curling or wrinkling.
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#18045
Boat Set 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Draw the whole boat like in Adobe, Corel Presentations or the like; that is if you do not have ProFantasy's Campaign Cartographer or NBOS's Fractal Mapper.
Save it in a file compatible with Adobe's or whatever your local blueprint printer sevice is using.
Then go to your local blueprint printing shop and print it there from your data-transfer medium all in one piece; no need for chopping, taping, or glue sticking.
I have gone the gluestick way before with 110# card stock because with Corel Presentations I can print a drawing on a matrix of pages using their poster function.
The software can expand a drawing out to a 6x6 matrix which of course would be printed over 36 pages of room.
Corel Presentations can create quite a spectacular display if your picture was large enough pixel-wise in the first place.

I just printed maps for my BattleTech Universe campaign at a blueprint shop I know.
I was able to print two maps at $6/square foot on a good color print paper and $8/square foot for photo paper.
Granted, there is a digital printing service here in the region that can do the very same thing at just a slightly higher print-quality, but they are EXPENSIVE doing this!
They start at $14/square foot for good color print paper and it can go up from there depending on the paper you want to use, and they have seven different types of paper available.
I am very pleased with the print-outs that I received from the blueprint printing service so I have no need for the expensive digital print service.

I have found that a large drawing/map/etc. just looks so much better when you print it on a blueprint plotter-style printer than pasting the whole mess together from a smaller format printer.

My 2-bits.
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#18046
Boat Set 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
I don't want to be rude, but if I wanted maps of boats, I would have made them myself with dundjinni. ;)
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#18047
Boat Set 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Hey RF*;

Just an idea, but if you have a map you REALLY LIKE TO USE, have your blueprint shop do it on a Mylar. The damn thing will last longer than a mortgage and look better than Mrs. RF* did on wedding day! That's NOT a shot at your better half, it's a compliment to the Mylar prints!
When I was in Springfield MA, some time back in the Dark Ages, I worked at a blueprint shop for a couple of months right after my DD214; I learned how to do the Mylar wash-offs, and they came out crisp and clear, and EXTREMELY durable!

It's NOT a cheap way to go, but for a map that you want to use over & over again, it's a good investment. It could also be useful for easy-to-reuse Character Sheets. Mount the Mylar Character Sheets back-to-back on 110-120# stock and they should last forever - or at least, a L-O-N-G time!

See ya!

Jim
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#18048
Boat Set 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Do they still do mylar?
I do not remember any of the folks I spoke to here in the Northern US Rockies saying that they did.
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#18049
Boat Set 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
I don't want to be rude, but if I wanted maps of boats, I would have made them myself with dundjinni. ;)
Sorry, but that is the way the thread had turned.
I do not know if DF will go with such specialized sets any time soon Kaladhan.

Have you (Kaladhan) made boats and ships in Dundjinni?
Dundjinni is the fiction cartography software I have not really enjoyed the demos of when I tried it so I have not bought it ... yet.
Then again, I have complaints as well with both PF's CC and NBOS' FM systems.

Has anyone else here printed out maps on a large format printer?
That is, other than Jim's mylar expeditions.
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