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#16953
Medieval Building Set Add-On Ideas 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
Hi All !!!

Somone had to start this topic to round up all the good ideas already beginning to float around the forum ....

Here are some ideas off the top of my head (and kudos to those who's ideas I might have already read and were implanted into my cranium) :

Stairs (up and down)
Fireplaces (large cooking hearth and small)
Tavern Accessories (bar, ale casks, games tables, broken tables)
Kitchen Accessories (ovens, prep counters, pantry shelves)
Beds (not just sleeping palletts)
Braziers
Signs and Tapestries (I'm thinking I can make these to "pin" in place)
Windows (shutters, leaded and stained glass)
Doors to work with the set but set into the Master Maze stone
Free-standing wood columns or wood arch "walls" similar to the stalactite arch in the CRW set to support second level layouts
More Secret Doors
Double Doors
Narrow Windows
Stable Accessories (even with a dirt/hay floor)
Jail Accessories - walls of bars (I wonder how the portcullis will fit-in for this ... you know, when your party inevitably visits the constable after the usual tavern brawl) ....

Oh, the possibilities are endless. Granted, many of these can be done simply by the individual, but I'm just throwing out ideas ...
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#16954
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Oh, and trap doors (working) to cellar / dungeon set-ups below ... yeah !!
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#16955
Medieval Building Set Add-On Ideas 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
Man, I was JUST going to start a thread like this. You've hit some of the most important stuff, I think, but I'll try to come up with something...

Stairs (up and down) -
I'd like to see these, but I can make wooden stairs thanks to HA, so it's not essential for me. Plus, stone stairs DO work in this format, so they are available already to some extent. Not that I'd complain, mind you. I'd rate this a B-level, second tier item.

Fireplaces (large cooking hearth and small)
Very nice, but I have my Grendel one. For that reason, I tend to think second tier again, but given how impossible Grendel is to come by these days, it might deserve A-level status. Plus, I'm sure Stefan could do something ASTOUNDING with this...

Tavern Accessories (bar, ale casks, games tables, broken tables)
Kitchen Accessories (ovens, prep counters, pantry shelves)
Beds (not just sleeping palletts)

Yes, though again this is stuff I have and is available elsewhere. I think Megaminis makes beds, too. Fenrell has similar items, for that matter. Again, I'd love to see Stefan's take, but it's technically already out there.

Braziers
Signs and Tapestries (I'm thinking I can make these to "pin" in place)
Windows (shutters, leaded and stained glass)
Doors to work with the set but set into the Master Maze stone

These I'm sorta "meh" on. I don't know how easy it would be to work any pin-able items, and alternative windows and doors are not "exciting" enough for me. Before I just get something I have already, but different, I'd rather see entirely new things.

Free-standing wood columns or wood arch "walls" similar to the stalactite arch in the CRW set to support second level layouts

ABSOLUTELY! This was gonna be my number 1 choice.

First, because wooden columns just LOOK right in a setting like this, and can add real fun diversity to a tavern setup. Lots of opportunities for blocked LOS and for creating hidden nooks and shadowed corners.

But second because this set CRIES OUT for stacking -- as the hi-res pics already show, the dungeon elements look GREAT as a first-floor for these, but even without that, these could stack perfectly to make an entirely self-standing inn or cottage. We wouldn't need to convert or customize ANYTHING, or to go to any other company (unless we were aching for a roof or a signpost) . For it to work, though, we'd need speacially designed columns, different in approach from the red pillars -- because they'd need to placeable to support several "ceiling" tiles at once. Something with a big, broad top and a broader-than-normal base would be required. But I'd love to see it.


More Secret Doors
Double Doors

Yes, yes, yes.

Narrow Windows
Stable Accessories (even with a dirt/hay floor)
Jail Accessories - walls of bars (I wonder how the portcullis will fit-in for this ... you know, when your party inevitably visits the constable after the usual tavern brawl)

I am not as crazy about these ideas, but they COULD work.

Personally, I think what I want to see most are those columns. I would like to see Stefan's take on things like fireplaces and beds and kitchen items (kegs, ovens, etc) but I can't think of anything right off the top of my head that would be great that hasn't already been done. I suppose it'd have to be something unusual, like a damaged element or something magical or dangerous...

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#16956
Medieval Building Set Add-On Ideas 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
Here are some things I'd like to see:

I agree with another poster who said things look a bit too striped. To counter that it would be nice to have the hearth as was already mentioned, some walls that are all timber (no plaster), some walls that are all stone (no plaster), and some stone walls showing through plaster. The stone walls with wood flooring would be nice for working with the building or dungeon sets.

Add another vote for wood pillars and arches.

Add another vote for a wooden trap door in a floor section. (How else do they get to their wine cellar/root cellar?) :)

To round things out I suggest another special set: Dungeon Cells: includes cells that can be strictly dungeon, some that are strictly building, and some that work with either. Of course this would likely be limited production unless this is mixed in with a bunch of other cool stuff.

Jim
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#16957
Medieval Building Set Add-On Ideas 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
I agree that the most important pieces to add are to facilitate stacking and multilevel set ups, which to me means wood columns, the "platforms" like wood-beam/archway pieces of some sort, and stairs that can allow access from one floor to the next.

However, I do really, really also want pieces to allow for setting up a kitchen, fireplace, forge/anvil, merchant's store counter, beds, etc. While these do exist from other manufacturers and I own a few of these pieces, for the most part they are not available prepainted and of the quality and durability of Dwarven Forge products. And even for those items where I already have a stand-by, I'd love to add the variety of a different take from Dwarven Forge on that type of item. They would really add to the flexibility of both the Medieval Building Set and the traditional Master Maze set to be able to create different types of buildings and different types of rooms in a building.
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#16958
Medieval Building Set Add-On Ideas 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
Oh, man, I hate myself for this...

A medieval building wall wouldn't necessarily show stone behind plaster. The construction style being portrayed looks like beams with "wattle-and-daub" -- that's basically a wickerwork wall plastered with a mixture of mud and dung. This was used both for freestanding buildings, AND for interior buildings built against the inside of castle walls.

I feel dirty...

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I'm sure we'll have lots of threads to cover many of these items, but here are a few thoughts.

I'm not entirely keen on the idea of furniture items. Beds, bar items, blacksmith accessories, tables with meals on them, church furnishings, wizards' labs, and many other items are available through various other companies, and they are quite well done. While official DF would be nice, it would also be competing with previously existing products, where the modular architectural pieces are unique in the market.

Fireplaces, ovens, and forges can be done as wall pieces, and offer enough variety that they could be a set all by themselves. A small fireplace, a great fireplace (4"x4" wall), a corner fireplace, an oven, and a forge make a nice set of five pieces, although I'd double up on the small and great fireplaces.

Window inserts would make a nice (cheap) little set. Narrow wiindows might be a good additional piece, but might also be accomplished by placing a post in the center of a regular window piece.

Additional doors would also make a great set. Double doors (do we like those as a single 4" wall piece, or two 2" wall pieces that go side by side?), cage/cell doors, a curtain door, and a door cut so that the bottom and top halves open separately.

A Medieval Floor Set is definitely a must (although probably a couple of years away). Trap doors, a floor with missing boards, a blood-stained floor, and a floor with a pentagram or other mystic markings come immediately to mind. And we might as well include the Medieval Stairs Down piece in this set.

Stairs. Definitely. I hope that they will be done in such a way that they will also fit in with the Fantasy Dungeon line, but that's something for creativer minds to wrestle with.

Wood columns (vertical beams) will be very handy. I don't think we need wooden arches, per se, but a row of wood columns will allow us to describe certain architectural features (such as overhangs and balconies, even without stacking), put "shorings" in caverns, and give players a way to "bring the house down" by knocking out structural supports.

A wall piece with a lamp (equivalent to dungeon walls with torches) is something to consider.

I'll probably do a lot of individual threads about potential Medieval Building sets and pieces, many of them previously mentioned, and I'll be starting with stables. Hope to see you there.
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#16959
Medieval Building Set Add-On Ideas 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
A couple of points I would like to add:

A lot of fantasy settings seem to mix the medieval and tudor styles of architecture and dress without any pretense of a nod to reality, so I have no problem with the 'stripy' wattle and daub style that DF have chosen.

The advantage of designing really "generic" fantasy styles is that wargamers as well as roleplayers could buy this kit e.g. Warhammer Skirmish

Outdoors range now gives DF HUGE room for future expansion sets.

There is nothing to stop a lot of the kit being used across both the dungeon, cavern, doe and buildings ranges so a lot of this stuff might appeal even to collecters who have only chosen to collect one style of DF up to now.

One thing I would like to see is a cobbled streets set with braziers, wells, town squares/podiums, gas lights (powered by magic of course) etc This would allow sets to be linked between buildings. I know that in the meantime we can use our dungeon/cavern floor but a dedicated set would look much better and be more flexible. I also suspect it would be relatively easy to sculpt (at least, compared to current sets!)

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#16960
Medieval Building Set Add-On Ideas 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
I mentioned this elsewhere, but it belongs in this thread.

Since the doors end on top of the floor, obviously, and since this is the first set where many people are going to want to use the "outside of the set" area as part of the environment -- as opposed to treating the outer walls of the setup as a gaming boundary -- I think we need a step to put outside the door to compensate for the absent floor piece. On the inside of the rooms, the door comes right down to the floor. But on the outside, where there is no floorpiece, the door is several (scale) feet off the ground! A simple step there would eliminate the problem.

That'd be keeen.

So that brings the things I'd love to see in an expansion to the following:

1. Columns. Essential -- great for stacking, and look cool to boot!

2. Stairs. I can see people are really psyched for this, so go for it.

3. Fireplace. It was listed as a possibility already, and I do like the idea.

4. An outdoor step. For making entirely self-sufficient buildings.

5. Tavern kitchen equipment. This is just me being selfish -- of all the cool
Grendel sets, this is the one I couldn't get. I still could find it, if I really cared;
I could order direct from Grendel, for one thing. But I would rather have a
DF version at this point. So while other items available from Grendel, for the
most part, don't make my list, this one does.

6. Round corners. As someone (Jim?) pointed out, these are wholly unrealistic.
But they are very appropriate for making a hobbit hole, and THAT would be
amazingly neat. This set just seems perfect for a hobbit hole, and I love the
idea of putting my LOTR minis out again. Round corners wouldn't be super
important -- I could make this the Green Dragon Inn, for example, or the
Prancing Pony. But it would be great. And the doors, because of the needs
of structural stability, seem to be somewhat hobbit-scaled anyway!

7. Railings. These were also mentioned once by Jeff -- I'd love to see 'em!
Balconies would be AMAZINGLY fun to do, or just closed-off areas of the pub.
"That's where the VIP's sit, sir!"

8. Medieval Furniture II set. I really dig the first one, and while a lot of other
companies make this stuff, none of them are as nice as the official DF items,
IMHO. A lot of companies make treasure, too, but nobody ever came close
to equalling the treausre & magic items set from DF. So I'd love to see some
more -- anything, really. Proper beds, a bar, bookshelves, endtables, stools, whatever. Furnishings for a tavern, or an inn, or a blacksmith's, or a study...

9. Signs. Signs would be ideal for outside (See below) but also great and useful
for the interior. I just wanna see 'em! But maybe the best way to do it would
be...

10. Outdoor equipment. I know RF and others have pointed out that DF should
stick to what it does best, and that's entirely-indoors environments. Everyone
else, go back and read your Plato -- Republic, Book Two -- one man, one
techne. The more you try to do, the worse you do it. (Would you rather eat
Japanese at a Japanese restaurant, or at a Japanese-Italian-Spanish-Indian place? though I guess there IS fusion cuisine...) Anyhoo, the point is, I see that as a
strong suggestion. HOWEVER, I am noticing a LOT of people happy to start
using DF outside, as it were, and while I wouldn't encourage an entirely outdoor
environment yet (a forest set, etc) I wouldn't mind seeing a City Accessories Set
for use with the MBS. Gaslights, street signs, building ID signposts... It could be
pretty freaking sweet. Get a few small buildings on a table, decorate with some
gaslights and a few signs identifying the pub, the town hall, the armory... It would
be a small, $30 expansion that could GREATLY expand the possibilities for the
MBS with minimal effort/expense.

That's all I've got for now...

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#16961
Medieval Building Set Add-On Ideas 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
Great ideas !!!
I also think the overall look is a little too "stripey" but that's only a minimal concern.
Longer wall/floor pices to break up the rhythm on longer building facades would be good.

The fireplace idea seems to be a good one. How about one with a secret door in the back? To either exit the building or access a secret room.

And while we're on the secret door topic ... how about one right in the wall between the wood posts that just looks like the simple wall ?

I get the feeling that a lot of us will be swarming the companies that produce medieval accessories with big orders soon (assuming we don't spend ALL our money on these awesome new sets !!!!)
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#16962
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Another use for railings that I am looking forward to, is to define balconies. Whether you've stacked your layout (I don't) or set up a second level elsewhere on the table, the section that is open to the floor below will no longer be an unprotected edge.
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#16963
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Probably not a huge add-on but a couple of floor tiles with threshes on the floor. Could be used for poorer houses/hovels, winter houses, stables and as quick peasant roofing.

Also a 2"x2" piece with 3 walls. If it had 2 walls and an insert for a removable door/3rd wall/window/fireplace/bookshelf it would be versatile. This could also be used as a small annex/closet garderobe/washroom in a larger building or as a shed/ simple hovel as well.

I am interested to see if the door piece can be turned on its side and remain balanced. Some medieval shops had shutters that when opened served as a table top/counter (90 degrees rotated to what we are used to).

I think the other ideas presented so far are great as well and agree that a post could have an arm that different signs or a lamp could be hung upon. Railings and balconies could also be used as stable sections. So much potential. :)
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#16964
Medieval Building Set Add-On Ideas 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
Oh, and I completely forgot about a fountain! I love the mermaid fountain, I love fountains in general (water again!) but the mermaid would not look right in many MBS setups. So we need a MBS-specific fountain!

Meanwhile, I've taken out the wood mold from HA and I'm starting to put together chairs, benches, and stairs. And then I remembered railings! I'll have to try that, too, though making self-standing ones would be tough. They'll have to be L-shaped or 3-sided squares. But they'll make great partitions, or of course railings for balconies.
Have to get to it!

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