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#15905
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
jkratzer started this by saying it would be neat if a limited run of the old Narrow Passages set could be done on a pre-order basis, and now a third thread has begun...

IMPORTANT NOTE: No one from DF has said that a Narrow Passage set will be offered! But Stefan did pose a question for us, and I moved it over here just to keep it separate from discussion of the pledge idea being debated in the previous thread.

Ask Dwarven Forge, "Limited Run Pledges", Stefan wrote:
"Here is a question: Would anyone be interested in a Narrow Passage set that was a slightly different style than the stone look? This might make it more popular and less risky overall... or else, I think If we brought it back as is originally was, I might be inclined to add several new pieces to also make it more attractive. What narrow passage type pieces would people want? Ideas anyone?"


I can go either way on this.

An NPv2 set that was sculpted to a style "between" the standard dungeon and DoE styles would be more versatile than a return of the "classic look" -- it could be used alongside both lines, and even act as a bridge between them.

But a Classic NP set (with or without additional pieces) might be more useful to those who have original NP pieces and sets.


I don't remember exactly what was included in the original NP set, but it certainly had:
Straight Narrow Passage
Right Angle Narrow Passage
T-Shaped Narrow Passage
Dead End Narrow Passage
Narrow Swinging Door

In addition, I hope the set would include:
X-Shaped Narrow Passage
Curved Narrow Passage
Long Narrow Passage
and Half Wall and Half Wall Corner (from the Advanced Builder set) to link it to other sets...

In the confines of a 1" passage, however, I don't see adding much in the way of details, like trap doors or swinging traps or torches or other things -- they'd either be lost to sight, or they would get in the way of placing minis inside the pieces.

I suppose an Open Pit Narrow Passage might work, being less subtle than a trap door. And a Narrow Passage with arrow slits on both sides.

Ooh, a Narrow Iron Door (with a barred window) would be nice -- we could have a row of Half Walls with Dead End Narrow Passages behind Narrow Iron Doors to create dungeon cell blocks, or vaults.
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#15906
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
Just for information completeness and correctness ;) , the 'old' NP set included:

8 Narrow Straight Passage Pieces
4 Narrow Right Angle Passage Pieces
4 Narrow 'T' Shaped Passage Pieces
2 Narrow 4-Way Passage Pieces
2 Narrow to wide Passage Conversion Pieces
2 Narrow 'Swingin' Doors
50 Bow Ties

So the Dead End Narrow Passage was not in this set, but instead in the Advanced Builders Set and of course is still therein!

But if there might be a NP Version 2.0 I would suggest to include them (2 or 4 of them?) there, because they can be really useful e.g. for small cells (as can be seen in some of my Tile System example maps and as is suggested by jackattack above).

Furthermore I can support jackattacks suggestions. Especially Curved and Long Narrow Passages could be very useful.
Adding the Half Walls and Half Wall Corners might also be an Idea (I think the new set needs to be a double layer box then), but I could also live with those tiles beeing available again in the 'single pieces' category someday. Even though I am considering to buy a third Advanced Builders Set in the future, I would really like to get some more of those halve tiles, without having to buy whole advanced builders set.
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#15907
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
From the above mentioned Ask Dwarven Forge, "Limited Run Pledges" thread but my response seemed more approriate here as that thread has moved onto other things.
Hello guys........I think that bringing back the Narrow Passage Set can be done eventually but it needs to be the proper time.
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we just have to be smart and do it properly. It is also not just a matter of can we sell x amount. There are timing logistics and container space problems. We can only fit such and such into a container and there comes a time when we have to decide, well, do we put this awesome NEW product in here or do we make room for an older product. Even If we sell them all, either way, we have to decide what our customers would be more happier having...a Lake Set or a Narrow Passage Set? ...

I don't think anyone is suggesting that and old set would replace a brand new in a shipment. People are just expressign that there is an interest in this particular set especially. Many old sets are in stock, and customers are saying that there is an interest in the set being in stock if not all the time at least occasionally (And I think this is supported by the price narrow passages sells on ebay for compared to other out of print sets like octagonal room, curved passages, etc) Fit some in to a container when you can, but they should be able to fit in some time.

here is a question: would anyone be interested in a narrow passage set that was a slightly different style than the stone look? This might make it more popular and less risky overall...or else, I think If we brought it back as is originally was, I might be inclined to add several new pieces to also make it more attractive. What narrow passage type pieces would people want? Ideas anyone?
On the "different style and stone look" idea:
*While a different stone look may sell more to those who already have the narrow passages set I think it may also put off some of those who don't and who would prefer to have passages matching the rest of their dungeon of mastermze products. It may still sell but I think there would continue to be people asking for the original style as well.
*Another thing it has been suggested in another thread one thing narrow passages is good for is creating rooms with columns in and stonework should match for this purpose (Maybe someone who has the set can elaborate on why/how what is done with this)
*Surely also making a whole new look would be more work than just using the existing molds/painting instructions/etc.

On the "new pieces to also make it more attractive" idea:
*I think this idea is great. New purchases of narrow passage still get all from original set plus the extras and the extra pieces mean old set owners will want it too. As long as those that already have the set don't feel too ripped off that they got the old "basic" version and have to pay too much to get the new cool "deluxe narrow passages" (hopefully they won't)
*Don't feel too qualified to comment on contents as I don't have a set to know what extra is needed but the ideas of curved and long passages sound good. It seems that such narrow passages would likely be secret hidden ways so some type of secret door or swing wall may also be good.
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#15908
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
Thanks, LoneStarr, for providing the correct contents of the original Narrow Passages set -- that helps a lot.

We'll also be needing Narrow Passage to Cavern conversion pieces, and possibly half walls/corners for DoE. Might be part of an NP set, WA or AB, or individual sale. Or, we could just do a Narrow-to-Wide conversion between the Narrow Passages and the Cavern or Den.

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The thing about the container, I think, is not just that a container has limited space (which keeps DF from producing "additional" sets in a particular production run), it's that a container has to be full to maximize cost effectiveness. That means they can't just do a special order for a limited run of Narrow Passages (or any other set) unless the production run is large enough to completely fill a shipping container all by itself. Unless they manufacture a number of Narrow Passage sets equal to an entire restock/release order, the shipping costs will eat into the profits.
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#15909
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
About the problem that 'people might be disappointed because of a new version of the set contains new pieces and they allready have a lot of the old sets':
This could be addressed by offering 'individual pieces sets' or something like an 'upgrade set' for the old set with just the new pieces. They could be limited for a specific amount of sets or just being not restocked when demand decreases. That way anyone who just want's to upgrade his old set(s) has a chance to do so. Of course this might conflict with the DF decision not to offer so much individual pieces due to the storage and logistic problems with them.

About the 'what to produce and what can fit into containers question':
I think it does not make much sense to discuss those problems here, like it had allready been done.
The fact is there are several logistic problems with filling up containers efficiently and shipping overseas and also with how to choice what to produce when. But the only people who can finally decide what is optimal are the guys at DF (Jeff and Stefan I guess). The only thing we can do here is to provide our wishes and ideas to help them by taking their decisions about what they want to produce when. And of course there is no question that new sets should have some precedence over the older ones. But they should also not forget that potential new customers have some demand for at least the 'basic' older sets too and try to restock them from time to time.
If there is any set from the older ones that is now not listed at all in the online shop and is worth to be produced again it is definitely the Narrow Passage set in my opinion.
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#15910
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
About the problem that 'people might be disappointed because of a new version of the set contains new pieces and they allready have a lot of the old sets':
This could be addressed by offering 'individual pieces sets' or something like an 'upgrade set' for the old set with just the new pieces. They could be limited for a specific amount of sets or just being not restocked when demand decreases. That way anyone who just want's to upgrade his old set(s) has a chance to do so. Of course this might conflict with the DF decision not to offer so much individual pieces due to the storage and logistic problems with them.

Of course selling upgrade sets may also conflict with the goal of adding pieces to make the set more attractive and nt help sell more sets - people would just by the individual pieces rather than the new set, which brings us back to square one on getting narrow passages re-issued.
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Caverns - 2 x Original, Passages, 3x Chasm, River, 3 x Lake, Lake Exp. DoE- Orig, Wicked, Room.
Medieval Building - Orig, Exp. Sci-Fi - Starter, Passages, Alpha, 2 x Beta
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#15911
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
I would love to see the old Narrow Passages set available again (I only managed to get one, plus a few individual pieces) as it is, without doubt, one of the "most used" sets I have. I would love to see a deluxe new narrow passages set but would prefer it to be broadly compatable with the old set.

I would also love to see a "narrow cavernous passageways" set, but fully understand that this is probably quite low on Stefan's "To do" list.

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#15912
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
I would definitely buy another Narrow Passage set if it were offered again. If it were different than the original, I might still be interested in it. It might depend on what it looked like. But I'd probably be interested in it. Straight narrow passage pieces are just really useful not only for narrow passages but also for stacking multi-level set ups.
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#15913
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
Sign me up, too !! I was lucky to get one set on clearance from a FLGS a few months ago and have since been sold on the utility of the set. It was never high on my "wish list" but the price was right to try it out and I'm sure glad I did. Now I want more :)
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#15914
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
I have 2 sets already as I stocked up when I learned they were going out of production. Would not be interested in a different look. A few new pieces might be nice if sold separately.
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#15915
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
I mentioned this elsewhere, but I thought I'd repeat it here.

Narrow Passages ("classic" or revamped) can also be used to create cloisters -- covered walkways with a wall on one side and columns or arches on the other, usually facing a courtyard. Because the NP pieces used columns at corners to form intersections, instead of using long walls like standard passage pieces, the intersections can be placed side by side to simulate this architectural feature that was found in castles, monasteries, and other large structures. Ts can be used for cloister straight walls, Xs can be used for outside corners and doorways, and Ls can be used for inside corners.

That's all.

(For now...)
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#15916
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years ago  
I have a few Narrow Passage Sets available for sale at stores.ebay.co.uk/otherworld-games
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