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#15917
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Quoting you from a different thread on a poll about what we would like to see Dwarven Forge make:
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And for those of you desperate for a Narrow Passages Set:

cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320022457774&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=011

At the price you are charging otherworld, yes, I agree with you, those sets are for the DF desperate.
The current exchange rate is 1.9924 in favor of the GBP.
That means for the Narrow Passages Set, which retailed at $69US (math comes out to not quite 35£) 50£ per set is quite the profit (math says $99.62US).

Like I said before on a third thread, otherworld, you certainly found someone's terrain treasury cache.
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#15918
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
At the price you are charging otherworld, yes, I agree with you, those sets are for the DF desperate.
While I have no doubt that otherworld is making a profit, it may not be as much as you first think.
Remember someone had to ship them to the UK in the first place, presumably they were stock from a retailer or wholesaler that otherworld bought. To Australia it cost me roughly 100% of the retail price again for the first set and then 50% for each set there after just for postage. If something occurs to the UK that would mean some in the UK is probably paying similar total price to what they would direct from DF. So looking at those prices those in the US may now realises how much all of outside the US pay for any of our DF sets.
Unfortunately for those of outside the UK (or western europe) if we want to buy any of the no longer available sets off otherworld, we are paying a lot more because of what is effectively double postage. Hopefully DF will make remake the set so the rest of us can get it at a more reasonable price.
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#15919
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
waza, I am quite aware of what persons who live outside of the U.S.A. pay for the Master Maze.

First of all, I read all of the complaints posted here even though I do not have to.

Second, I know buddies outside the States who have to pay a slightly bit more in shipping; granted it is not a great deal more because they have APO or FPO addresses to facilitate their shipping.

Third, I have non-American family living in Europe and I get to hear their shipping woes as well.
A good number of them admit that it is their own country's fault, not the Americans.

Fourth, I keep up with actual news outside of the U.S.A. from non-American sources unlike many of my fellow Americans.
Some of the news I read makes me wonder how many of the non-Western Hemisphere folk pay attention to their own country's policies.
I find some of the protective tariffs and custom fees out there, especially among some of the EU countries, to be rather ridiculous.
Then it is truly hilarious when those same countries cry and complain about the American tariffs and customs that are placed into effect on their products in opposition to how American products are treated first in those countries.

Quite honestly, all of you outside North America, you might want to look how your own government is sticking it to you rather than complain about the shipping rates Dwarven Forge has to charge you.
Those of you who are franchised in the country you live in, you could get with your friends and fellow citizens and do something about the situation.
There is a saying here in the U.S.A. that says, "If you do not vote and/or get involved, what right do you have to complain?"
Your own countries' policies are ones that you getting stuck with the major bill from and those are the ones that you can change.
Maybe if we can get rid of some of the over-protectionism in a fair number of the countries out there, the cost for the overseas folks to get Master Maze may come way down.
Yes?!?
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#15920
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
waza, I am quite aware of what persons who live outside of the U.S.A. pay for the Master Maze.

First of all, I read all of the complaints posted here even though I do not have to.

Second, I know buddies outside the States who have to pay a slightly bit more in shipping; granted it is not a great deal more because they have APO or FPO addresses to facilitate their shipping.

etc....

I did not mean to imply that you were not aware of shipping costs. I simply wanted to counter your implication that otherworld was ripping people off by overcharging by pointing out his prices were not ridiculously expensive but simply the sam, or possibly even a little less as you would be expected to pay if you bought direct from DF and had them shipped to where he was selling them from.

I am not sure what has prompted your rant, and I wanted to bite my tounge as I do not want to get involved in a flame war with you, but I am afraid I could not resist at least one reponse to your rabid patriotism (Pun intended ;)) and your attack on all non North American countries.

Quite honestly, all of you outside North America, you might want to look how your own government is sticking it to you rather than complain about the shipping rates Dwarven Forge has to charge you.
Those of you who are franchised in the country you live in, you could get with your friends and fellow citizens and do something about the situation.
There is a saying here in the U.S.A. that says, "If you do not vote and/or get involved, what right do you have to complain?"
Your own countries' policies are ones that you getting stuck with the major bill from and those are the ones that you can change.

NO. FALSE. I have NEVER been charged and tax or tariffs when purchasing products. Infact from that side I am paying less tax by buying from out of the country rather than a local distributor because out government figure it's not worth collecting the 10% GST (sales tax) if the goods imported are worth less than A$1000 (approx US$750).

In my last post I was talking only postage. If DF was selling a set for US$69, even by buying multiple sets to minimise postage I would not expect to be able to get my hands on it for US$100. It would of course depend on the set but I would expect the cheapest I would need to spend including postage to Australia and that is with NO TAXES, would be around US$110. If buying a single set I would expect it to be more like US$140.

This is NOT my governement's fault, this is not something I can vote on or protest about, this is the cost of postage. from the USA.

By the way I actually can get more postage options and generally slightly cheaper rates to the US from Australia than the other way around. And for some bizarre reason when I spent some time in North America to send letters home it was cheaper in the US than Canada, but to send packages it was cheaper to send them from Canada than the US. Try blaming that one on my Goverment!

Fourth, I keep up with actual news outside of the U.S.A. from non-American sources unlike many of my fellow Americans.
Some of the news I read makes me wonder how many of the non-Western Hemisphere folk pay attention to their own country's policies.
I find some of the protective tariffs and custom fees out there, especially among some of the EU countries, to be rather ridiculous.
Then it is truly hilarious when those same countries cry and complain about the American tariffs and customs that are placed into effect on their products in opposition to how American products are treated first in those countries.

You missed the real joke. What is truely hilarious is when, and this is where I will critisise my own government, is where stupid countries like Australia refuse to put on tariffs on some goods because the government believes in "free trade" but our farmers then suffer because our market is flooded with American produce that has been subserdised by their goverenment to allow them to compete in Europe when EU goverments put import tarrifs on - But that of course is way off topic and nothing to do with DF!

There is a saying here in the U.S.A. that says, "If you do not vote and/or get involved, what right do you have to complain?".
We don't have that saying here. In Australia if you don't vote you get fined! That's not because we are so into voting, it's because in 1922 so few peopel did vote they were worried no one would turn up next time so they made it compulsory. But still you can't say we don't vote.

Maybe if we can get rid of some of the over-protectionism in a fair number of the countries out there, the cost for the overseas folks to get Master Maze may come way down.
Yes?!?

This may be true for some countries but it's not going to affect me, or anyone else in Australia, one bit. Appart from some cultural material (mainly a minimum of locally made television content on free to air television) and some quarunteen protections (to keep out things likes Rabbies and other diseases which do not occur here) Australia is one of the least protectionist countries on the planet.
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#15921
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
I have just bought a set from Otherworld and it was, in fact, cheaper than ordering it direct from the states, after shipping and tax.

No complaints here.

Dave (from UK)
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#15922
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
Well waza, I do not want a flaming session either, so we will not, right? :)
I truly would like to respond to you because we seem to have crossed wire communication going on. :/

First, I simply mentioned that otherworld had a good number of sets (71 at the time) for sale, and implied he was most certainly getting a HEALTHY profit from each one.
Later, I then repeated his own words and agreed with them.
Some where was the problem? :/

Where did the "rabid patriotism" come in any way? :/
I do not like tariffs because they usually more hurtful :( than helpful and I observed that other tariffs come into existence in response to other tariffs.
I have not been the only one on this forum saying that folks should look at what their own governments are taking from them and I believe at least two of the folks who have were from Europe in fact. :)

I attacked non-North Americans countries? :/
I spoke out against and encouraged others in their own countries to get active against tariff and customs policies of some countries out there.
Especially against those countries who, by time they get done messing with the parcels of my fellow Master Maze hobbyists, end up doubling, if not more, the price these folks have to pay for each set.
I was speaking out in support of my fellow Master Maze enthusiasts. :)

So, you have never been charged with a custom and/or tariff charge for Master Maze waza?
LUCKY YOU!
On the other hand, have you read what some of our European brethren and sisters have been zapped with?
I have and it is horrible! :o :mad:
That is why I mentioned countries in the EU, yes? :)

And no, Oz is not the least protectionist country waza. :(
Let's talk about the aircraft crews that are suing Oz and its policies of spraying pesticides on in-coming aircraft.
The talk is of heavy penalties due to heavy duty cancers because of the sprays.
If you are not willing to be sprayed, you do not come into Oz waza, at least legally.

I have just bought a set from Otherworld and it was, in fact, cheaper than ordering it direct from the states, after shipping and tax.

No complaints here.

Dave (from UK)

waza, Dave is lucky because he is within the same country as otherworld plus they use the same currency and he is within the EU. :D
The transaction would have been a good deal different if these conditions were not the same.

So waza, are we cool? :cool:
I hope the Master Maze you have already picked up is providing great fun, and that DF will produce more items that both you and I will fine of great use.
Have a great day waza. :)
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#15923
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
Well, here I go again, marching into the fray with both hands held up like a trafffic cop (which I used to be).

waza, RF* was knocking the European Union and it's over-protective tariff schedules, not Down Under - which, as you pointed out (and I've read elsewhere, so I dare anyone to give you a hard time over it!), is so nearly tariff-free that your farmers often have a rum do of it.

The European Union, and the Common Market before it, and the individual countries before THAT, have L-O-N-G been tax nightmares for anyone outside Europe to do business with. That's because the 'Old World' has always been so firmly entrenched in protectionist mercantilism that they wound up fighting each other over stupid trade barriers as well as politics. Now that they've finally realized that continued trade protectionism would end with Mutual Assured Destruction if they didn't end it at the trade negotiations, they have banded together (mostly) to wall out the rest of the world. Much the way Tom Clancy portrays Japan in his novel, Debt of Honor. And, if you've read that book, they often slide close to the same eventual results, when competing with the rest of the civilized world. It's an occupational hazard of being a Former Colonial Power - which ALL major European nations are. Most of the rest were former colonies, with the resulting attitudes on both sides.
On the part about voting to change things, RabidFox* is exactly correct, and he is quoting ME; I'M the one who told someone here that people WILL have the government they want, every time, no matter WHO they are, and WHERE they live. These days, USUALLY, that decision is made at the ballot box; sometimes, even today, it is made at the barricades - which is REALLY ROUGH on people; we tend to get hurt when throwing bottles of gasoline at T-72 or M1A1 tanks. But, if you look at it from a dispassionate, critical view of history, SOONER or LATER, EVERY government has become what the citizens and residents of that nation will allow their rulers to be and do. Because when enough people are unhappy with what their governing class, body, or caste is doing, they WILL implement change. In a democracy or other representative form of government, that change comes peacefully (usually) as a result of voting. In a monarchy or other aristocracy, or in a totalitarian dictatorship, it is unfortunately done by way of a revolution or other insurrection - frequently with disastrous results, for at least one generation of citizenry. But one way or another, governments DO change when they no longer meet the wants and needs of the people they govern.
And that, my friend, is today's lesson on civics in a modern society. Class dismissed, have a happy holiday.

I hate to drag politics into a friendly game forum such as this, but sometimes it's the only way to conclude debates.

See ya!

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#15924
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
Yee-haw professor! :P
What a ride! :D

So folks, I hope we all had fun! :lol:
Some threads really go places! :)
Hope we all are cool! :cool:
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#15925
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
Perhaps Narrow Passages and other "discontinued" or "limited appeal" sets could be offered on a pre-order basis, or once every year, or in alternating years (Narrow Passages in 2007, Diagonal Walls in 2008, and so on).
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#15926
Narrow Passages Redux 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
Possibly a great idea.
Well Jeff, what say you?
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#15927
Narrow Passages Redux 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
I have only recently been able to afford Dwarven Forge, so I missed out on the early stuff.

It's driving me bonkers not having a way to do narrow passages.

It would be wonderful if this set were available. I would buy it today!
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#15928
Narrow Passages Redux 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
Perhaps Narrow Passages and other "discontinued" or "limited appeal" sets could be offered on a pre-order basis, or once every year, or in alternating years (Narrow Passages in 2007, Diagonal Walls in 2008, and so on).
Hear hear!
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