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#15243
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
OK, so here's what I think would be a great WA set....

1. Whirlpool piece -- seems very popular.

2. SOME kind of waterfall piece. I don't really care how elaborate it is, just a way to start a river/lake at a wall somehow would be good.

3. A reverse corner for the lake -- so you can do other lake shapes. It took me ages to realize this would NOT be possible with the lake set. May be why I ordered 2 rivers but only 1 lake -- it's really only possible to make essentially the same lake, but bigger, or to make duplicates of the same lake. Without that reverse corner, ALL LAKES ARE ROUND. Or, you know, elliptical. Makes me think of the classic Raising Arizona exchange. "Do these balloons blow up into funny shapes and all?" "No. Unless round is funny."

So, yeah, that reverse corner brings all sorts of funky lake shapes into being -- not only do we need one, we need like THREE or FOUR.

4. Half-submerged badguys. The lizardmen are FANTASTIC. But they aren't going to be "general release," and they are only the tip of the iceberg (get it?). How about tentacles? How about fins?

5. A landbridge of some kind -- essentially like the bridge from CRW but made of stalagmites etc. A raised stone area to traverse the water. You can do the general idea right now, just be leaving the narrowest possible strip of shore to create a narrow bridge -- but a RAISED one would be coooool.

6. A dam of some kind. I don't know that it has to be very elaborate or in more than one piece, but some kind of dam would be a neat variation on the dead end piece. Pile of rubble/stone, wood, bones.

7. Dry riverbed. The sculpt on these is GORGEOUS. I wouldn't mind seeing a few WITHOUT resin for use with the dam, to have dry river around. It shows off the sculpt and it also allows for many gaming possibilities --

a) passage open during low tide only
b) passage flooded due to trap/magic
c) passage open due to dam
d) passage floods/drains as part of puzzle


These would all be very neat.

Though, I have to admit -- as fun as WA stuff is to come up with, the only piece that feels really necessary is the reverse corner for the lake set. The rest of it -- I don't know, I'm enjoying CRW too much to feel that it needs ANYTHING right now, you know? The DoE, I have to admit, that really could stand to have some fun accessories. And the SF stuff of course needs furnishings. But the water stuff -- I don't know, maybe it's that caverns look right even when they aren't furnished, or maybe the set is just that perfect as it is. I just don't feel as enthused about WA as I have about other Wicked sets. This set already FEELS like a Wicked addition to me, it's that cool.

Not that anyone has suggested that the water sets are incomplete -- but for some reason, I just am not as enthused about a WA set as I was about the DoE addition suggestions, or the existing Wicked sets.

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#15244
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
Stacking aside, does the waterfall work as a free-standing piece cast from clear (blue?) resin, with a base made of white "foam"? It would stand against (or replace) a wall piece -- several waterfalls could be placed side by side to represent an underground Niagara.

A few companies make improvised barriers and debris piles and rough wooden berms/fences -- one of these (possibly after cutting it down a bit) placed on the edge of a river tile would make for a decent dam. To make a finished dam, use Pedestals and 1"x2" half floor tiles beside a river tile.

Instead of making a line of half-submerged bad guys, why not just make a set of BASES for half-submerged bad guys? Then we could convert any mini we want, simply by cutting it off at the waist and putting a post through the base and into the mini. A standard 1" diameter base for regular size minis, and a 2" diameter base for larger monsters should suffice.
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#15245
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
jack -

Why bother waiting for DF or anyone else to make a base for half-divers? Just take a standard round base from GW, drill it for 1/16", cut your mini and drill IT, put a finishing nail cut to length throught hole and epoxy all.
Voila!
And if anyone doesn't LIKE IT that you are independent of waiting for manufacturers, tell 'em to stick themselves with that same finishing nail!
Or a round toothpick.
Or a piece of solid wire.
Or... anything else you can think of that would serve to reinforce mounting 1/2 a miniature to a round plastic 1" diameter base.
It might, after all, give them some spine, enough that they would go play their games and stop telling YOU how to play yours.

Whatcha think?

Hey, I just had another idea, while pounding out this diatribe.
Take that GW round base, INVERT IT, epoxy on the nail, and paint the base the same color as the water in the River set, only solid instead of transparent. Coat that with several coats of High-Gloss Clear, enough to build up a slight rounding on the rim, similar to the way the base on the Lizardmen Ambushers looks. Epoxy on your cut mini. Let it set up thoroughly, add some drip-drabs of gloss clear for water on the mini, and after that dries, go play.

See Ya!

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#15246
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
Another piece that I would find very useful would be a straight cavern wall piece with a grate (or bars) in it. Just the wall section though, (as in the CR&W set) so that it may have more uses.

It could then be used over a river piece or to create a cavernous cage or cell.
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#15247
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
I think wereweasel has a great idea there. What if the waterfall was one piece and completely freestanding? Then it could flow into a straight river piece, a lake piece, a sewer piece (you didn't think I'd let that opportunity go by, did you? :)), etc.
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#15248
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
My other suggestion for a piece is a pool totally enclosed by cavern floor. (Like the dead end river but enclosed on all sides) This could be a simple pool for use in a cavern set or it could be the end of an underwater tunnel that is the entrance, either backup or only, to the lizardman (or whatever) lair or secret treasure store.
Yes indeed! A natural pool with irregular edges, filling the center 2"x2" area of a standard Cavern floor piece, would be VERY useful. (A large pool filling most of a 4"x8" Cavern floor piece would be nice, but I won't hold my breath on that one.)

Currently, the only way to create a freestanding pool is to buy two Cavernous River sets and put two Dead End River Floor pieces together. At the very least, put another Dead End River Floor piece in a Waterous Additions set, or make it available for individual purchase.
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#15249
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
I can't even remember if I said this before, but the more I think about it, the more I would want a free-standing waterfall, one that does not REQUIRE you to build an upper-level river/lake to work.

When I first got DF, I never put together any setup that didn't include the mermaid fountain or the demon archway. They were (and ARE) both so absolutely AMAZING, I just couldn't bear to leave them out.

A waterfall would be just like that.

Only, the fountain and archway didn't require anything but a basic setup to use them -- you didn't have to commit to a particular idea. If the waterfall requires two levels...

So far, while I love the idea of a water WA set, and I'm sure Stefan could do amazing things with it, the only two suggestions I've seen that strike me as near-NECESSARY additions to the line are the reverse-corner for the lake (essentially an all-water piece with a single dot of land in one corner) and the waterfall.

I mean, a whirlpool could be neat, and so could a dam, or a bunch of other things.

But the reverse corner would make the lake configuration possibilities increase exponentially, and a waterfall would be just so darn COOL. Plus, it would be a very useful way of ending/starting a river without a dead-end or having it disappear under an archway...

Although, come to think of it, I suppose we'd need to decide on a lake or a river waterfall -- would the opposite edge of the piece be pure water, or a bank? Or would ANY edges be designed to work with the river?

Dare I ask for TWO waterfalls? Or could Stefan borrow from the removeable wall motif and somehow come up with a modular element that could be placed so as to allow for both river AND lake waterfalls?

Hmmm....

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#15250
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Dare I ask for TWO waterfalls? Or could Stefan borrow from the removeable wall motif and somehow come up with a modular element that could be placed so as to allow for both river AND lake waterfalls?
I think now we are really dreaming, but with the two waterfalls how about also joining pieces. Waterfalls could be used seperately or could be joined as straight or corner (Could be inside or outside depending how joining piece was used) with a few sets you could make spectacular broad falls or even unique stand alone water features. I can see in my minds eye a who wall of a small lake that is the start of a river, and in another place a "square" of linked waterfalls upside down in the middle of a large lake to make a giant water spout.

Actually now that I mention it how about a spout of water, a fountain coming up from water made entirely of resin. It could be made to fit on a river, lake and even the pool from fantasy floors.
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#15251
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
A piece that I'd like to see that I don't think I saw mentioned yet is another version of the intersection piece without the hole in the middle. Though I'd like to see just about all of the previously mentioned pieces before this.
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#15252
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
fiddy--you mean the 4-way "intersection"? Yeah, a plain one would be nice but that's not a deal breaker for me. We definitely need more walls as I mentioned in an early post just after receiving my set last week.
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#15253
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
I was just wondering where to post this idea, but this thread seems pretty good for it.

I am curious to see how receptive people would be to an idea I had while messing around with setups today.

How would you feel about separate, placeable "cap" tiles that look like the little corners on the river pieces, so you could place them more flexibly wherever you need them?

I doubt we need any that are whole -- we kinda already have them anyway, and I doubt anyone is really feeling like their lakes need more islands. (if you do feel that way, you have options anyway -- tons of loose rock formations in the cavern sets...)

But a half- and quarter-cap might be nice. Not as a replacement for things like a reverse-corner or three-cap piece, but in addition to.

I'm just thinking -- sometimes you can have a setup you really love, and you don't want to have to move a piece and replace it just for that little missing cap. Even if you HAVE a piece that's identical except for the fact that it HAS the missing cap, you may have already used it. (I've noticed several times that I need a T-intersection, and I've placed both of mine, or that I need a corner, and they've all been placed, etc.) This way, instead of having completely to disassemble your arrangement to hide that little "cheat," you simply place a quarter- or half-cap as needed to plug what's missing, match up to what's there, and presto! You've got it.

They wouldn't be perfect, of course, as they wouldn't go UNDER the water, and more noticeably, they wouldn't have the funky rock/algae/moss stuff that's there, so you'd still notice a difference. But the biggest, most striking problem would be gone, that little missing half or quarter or three-quarter (less likely) rock cap.

So -- good idea? Do we want placeable, separate caps to fill in those holes, or do we just want whole lake elements to make the thing completely seamless?

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