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#15231
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Stefan,

That is the BEST news I could have expected to hear. THANK YOU!!! This just keeps getting better and better.

As I'm planning on building larger and more intricate lake setups myself, I'll be good for three Wicked Water Sets as well.

By the way, will that be in January or February? ;)

Just kidding...sort of. I can't wait to get my hands on this set and these pieces.

Thanks again for the information and for making this AWESOME stuff available for all of us to enjoy.
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#15232
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
The problem with addition's sets I am sure is getting the right balance of parts. Basic sets I am have some of the same issues but mut be easier as all need the same basic pieces. But with additions sets different people will use more or less of certain bits.

So rather than stay off topic with how many sets I would buy (because it depends), how about some more ideas.

* I think everyone agrees we want a few simple corners (say 3) and an opposite corners (1). Assuming the additions a set is a bit smaller (or at least no bigger) than the original lake or river sets that is probably at least a third of the set. (which means suggestions in this thread is enough for several sets)

*I like the idea of an alternate "open" water piece. Yukon suggested submerged skeletons which could look cool but I am thinking something more generic. I know it can't be all but here are some ideas:
- a small island totally, contained on the piece. Perhaps prisioners are left in the middel of a piranha infested river or lake.
- an almost island, a submerged shallow area.
- just the tip(s) of large stalagmite(s) sticking out of the water from the bottom of the deep lake.
- a dark indistinct shadowy shape. Is that something horrible at the bottom of the lake or just shadows? - DM's choice
- a whirlpool (I know these have been suggested in ealier lake threads)

*I also like Yukon's "Things that poke out of the water" and "cascades" (ride the rapids on a door anyone?) and David's "marsh/swamp" though would possibly change the latter to a sandy beach (I think he ment a muddy beach as I doubt swamp plants would grow underground)

More ideas:
* an isthmus - would need to connect diagonally across the tile a bit look a bot like a shore tile. Could be used in the same places as a diagonally opposite corner piece but probably not as useful as the latter.
* A longer bridge to span a lake. (Just under 8 inches instead of just over 4 inch one in river set)
* A natural arch bridge over straight river OR two dead end rivers almost connecting. While they sound very different in layout design these two would function the same as each other
*River through a larger tile (6x6 or even 8x8), These pieces could be placed in river layout to give it more of a natural meander.
* A jetty/pier/wharf - maybe use by curent cave inhabitants, maybe a relic of the past.

This one is a bit far fetched I can't actually see if beign made, but while were throwing round ideas let me put it out there:
* A Dam - peharps the lizardfold have created the lake? This could be in two pieces:
- The top of a dam at edge of lake where the river has been held back
- Wall of the Dam leading into the river. I see this as a crude structure where just enough water is leaking through the rough wall to keep the river flowing. Threatening to burust and flood the whole river cavern.
These two pieces could be used seperately to mark the begining and end of the water system on a level. Or fit together as a level transition for those who want to the whole hog and make a multi level display (lake would need to be placed on riser like a 1.5 inch foam sheet, etc)
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#15233
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Ditto on the corner piece.

I'd also like to see the following:

1.) A waterfall of some sort
2.) A 'whirlpool' tile with no shore edges--just water and the ripple effect in the center, cascading
outward. That would totally rock.
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#15234
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Can folks describe what they want in a waterfall?
Are we talking about a single straight drop? How tall would it be, and how large does the base need to be to keep it stable?
Or do we mean a series of steps, a bunch of short waterfalls with pools at different levels?
Can the Fenryll waterfall piece be adapted to work with DF?

As for a whirlpool, until the piece comes out try printing a swirly graphic on a transparency sheet -- it can be any size you like, and you can put numbers on it to specify saving rolls (or whatever) against getting sucked in.
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#15235
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
I'm definitely thinking of a full-on cascade, an according-to-Hoyle waterfall. The piece in CRaW is nice and all, but when I think waterfall, that's what comes to mind.

Oh, and for bonus points, it would be nice if the top of the waterfall could interface with the edge of a river piece. That way, you could use it as a transition piece for multi-level cavern setups that use 1.5" foam as a base. Caverns aren't really built for that kind of setup, but it would be nice to get some transition pieces that allowed for multiple levels.
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#15236
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I'm definitely thinking of a full-on cascade, an according-to-Hoyle waterfall.
Definately a cascade over a series of level, however please excuse my ignorance, but not sure what you mean by "an according-to-Hoyle waterfall". I see this is probably a fall over the width of most of a 4" piece with dry rock sides faily steep that could be placed against river bank, cavern floor or cavern walls and no look out of place. It also has short wet flat patches large enough to balance figures on so in some senarios charaters can climb up or down the cascade.

Oh, and for bonus points, it would be nice if the top of the waterfall could interface with the edge of a river piece. That way, you could use it as a transition piece for multi-level cavern setups that use 1.5" foam as a base.
Definately. We need a second level transition to go with my dam wall. And I am sure there will be some level transition pieces (Stairs, rockfall, etc) in the dry caverns wicked additions set. (Hang on how much money is all these sets going to cost)
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#15237
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Yukon hit the nail right on the head--have the top of the waterfall be able to butt up against the edge of another (straight?) water piece so that you could make a multi-level fall.

Based on the way caverns look (and are formed), I think it should project out and get wider toward the bottom like a flowstone type of wall (thinner at the top, thicker at the bottom). The water pouring over should be at least as thick as the water on the current CR water pieces (1/4" thick?). By the way--that pic of the flowstone was shot by a friend of mine when he and his wife came to visit us last Spring. We went to a place called "Cave of the Mounds" here in Wisconsin. Talk about getting psyched up for the Cavernous River and Walls set! ;-}~

If you guys want to see some really cool pics of real cavernous lakes, have a look at these: Cavernous Lakes. I don't know who those people are--I just found the images online and "borrowed" them. ;-}~

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#15238
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When I say "according-to-Hoyle waterfall," I mean something like this:



Something where the water covers the entire space where it's flowing down. I'm guessing that this would be a very difficult piece to create, since the water would have to be molded rather than just poured into the piece to get the desired effect. Hopefully, it's possible to do.
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#15239
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That's definitely possible, but it may be prohibitively expensive for a mass-produced item like this.

One approach taken (the one I like) is the following:

Top and bottom of the water is done with resin, just like the current DF stuff.

Then the waterfall itself is essentially clear plastic sheeting -- you just cut the shape you want and glue one to the "top" and one to the "bottom."


Then you use a clear, fast-drying epoxy on everything -- you coat the top and bottom to get "rushing water" effects, and you basically SMOTHER the plastic sheet. The stuff dries clear, and you get all those bumpy bits. If you're SUPER detail-oriented, and skilled, you can paint whitecaps as necessary (though the resin dries cloudy in areas where it's thick, so it almost takes care of itself that way)

This technique is what I used, small scale, on my fountains -- with fishing line. It looks 1000 times better than you could ever begin to imagine, it's a great effect. I've seen people use it for waterfalls a lot, and it looks breathtaking.


BUT -- that's a lot of work and I don't know how easy it would be to do. I also think it's less useful than some pieces, because you'd need to have a two-tiered setup with enough going on at both levels to make it worthwhile. I don't know how many people do that. As much as I'd love it....

Of course, come to think of it, you COULD just use the waterfall as a wall -- who cares what's on top? It would just be a neat way of "starting" the river or lake in a cavern somewhere. Hmmm....

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#15240
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YC, L -

IF someone (Stefan!) makes a master of a waterfall, in wax or whatever, the mold can be made, the same way the rest of the DF pieces are made. The only hard part would be for Stefan, or whoever he tells 'make it!' Making the mold will be no more expensive than any other molds.
However, casting it IN CLEAR RESIN will be expensive; that's why the CR&W set is so bloody expensive, and the CL the same thing. Clear Resin casting, and getting it RIGHT, is the single hardest thing to do in resin casting processes. It's why I refuse to work in clear resin. The damn stuff is outrageously expensive for resin that sets up water-clear, and it's so much more finicky than the white or amber stuff!

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#15241
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Here's my thoughts on the possible structure/construction of such a waterfall piece.

Option 1: (Preferred)

1) It would be designed to be stackable/stable.
2) It would consist of 3 parts/set: *(see descriptions below).
3) It could then be arranged in different configurations of height/width -if designed accordingly.

* A "top" piece with water flowing out/over rocks from cave opening.
A "middle" piece that is essentially water in freefall (although I'm certain Stefan would produce something infinitely more interesting than I just described. This piece though would require a similar shape/design at the top and bottom of the piece for stackability/continuity.
And a base/bottom piece that would be the rocky, detailed base of the waterfall/lake piece. I would hope these pieces would have a curved/corner shore backing to it (for verastility). The stability for these pieces would be significant with a curved/corner shoreline and from the significant outcropping of the waterfall feature itself.

I got the idea from stacking three (and four) Complex Cavern Pieces quite successfully and envisioning them as waterfall pieces.

Yes, I know the three pieces would be a HUGE part of any Wicked Waters Set, bit imagine the possibilities with say, two sets...

TB TMMB
TB TMB
TMB TMB
TB TB

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Option 2:

If three pieces are too much, might I suggest at least the "Top" and (stackable) "Base" pieces anyway. If this were the case, since multiple stacks would not apply, hopefully these could then be designed for use separately at the same time.

Any thoughts?
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#15242
If there is a Waterous WA set would you consider including? 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Hey, anybody remember the various stories where the entrance to villain's secret lair was hidden behind a waterfall?

There are several ways to address this. One is to have the water cascading out with a gap, so that there is a 5-foot (i.e., 1-inch) space between the water and the rock wall. It could have an opening large enough to place either a standard attached large door, or the portcullis section, on the other side.

Alternatively, the water section could be removable, to reflect the characters walking through the water. That, or to represent the water being diverted by some means.

Waza also suggested a natural arch of rock, to serve as a bridge between sections. I think that's awesome, and it could be used in the cavern set even without the Rivers or Lakes areas, to span chasms.
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