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#8806
Kinda OT: Cardstock Death Star 9 Years ago  
Well, for me, the major disadvantage to cardstock isn't durability -- even without re-enforcing it, mine is VERY sturdy.

The problem is threefold:

1. Time. It's just a pain to cut out and assemble. Not fun, takes forever.
2. Professionalism. I consider myself a good painter, and the terrain I've painted myself looks pretty good, IMHO. But I have no patience for cutting -- my cardstock stuff doesn't always line up properly, things can lean a little bit, be a little crooked. It isn't that I don't try, but I'm not taking out a T-square, if you get my drift. My cardstock stuff, in short, always looks a little "less perfect" than when the experts do it.
3. "Fake" 3-D. Sure, you can get SOME 3-D effects -- WWG is particularly good at making actual tubes, slots, recesses, and so forth -- you are getting something VERY detailed. But at the end of the day, a lot of stuff is just drawn on. The books on the shelves are pictures -- with Grendel, they are really there. The panels and switches on the walls are just pictures -- with DF, they're really there. As good as it looks, I know that some stuff is actual genuine total 3-D, and cardstock is always a matte painting, Hollywood-movie-in-the-1940's kind of illusion.

And I agree -- my SW Fringe stuff looks great in DF setups, docking bays on Nar Shaddaa and fueling stations on Omicron Persiei 8. But I have this Tarkin, and this Han Stormtrooper, and this Leia -- and they just NEED a Death Star to run around. ;) Plus, it doesn't HAVE to be a Death Star. It could be a Star Destroyer! Or...um... Death Star mk. 2! ;)

And did you see the Bespin that's due any day now? Fantastic! Really great stuff for Bespin.

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#8807
Kinda OT: Cardstock Death Star 9 Years ago  
Oh i hear you on the time issue, one of the reasons i haven't done any this summer, it's something i do when i'm couped up inside during the winter ;), i have been doing other things but the weather is getting colder time to clean off the work bench and print out some card stock.

but one of the things i have found to make it go faster is, just cut it all out, and then put it together, just spend like a night cutting do it while watching TV or something (i actually like to do it during my D&D game when i'm not the DM) and you can get into the grove , it goes really fast, you can cut out crap loads of stuff, spend 20 Minutes edgeing (makes it look so much nicer) and then get to the fun bits of putting it together. Which is something i don't find boring, heck i used to love legos, to me this are just bigger legos, just a little flimsier... and they don't kill your feet if you step on them. For me i would rather build the parts than paint something. (i LOVE prepainted minis, and my pre-painted DF)

I just suck at painting (as anyone can tell from the craptastic job of painting Fruniture i did) i just am not the best painter and hate spending a lot of time doing that when it won't come out that well, but that's me. It's some thing i have tried to get better at with practice i just have very little skill for it.

Yeah the mock ups for Bespin look nice, and it will save SO much ink :lol:
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#8808
Kinda OT: Cardstock Death Star 9 Years ago  
I thought about the ink factor -- ditto for the Tantive IV, Leia's ship -- all white walls!

As for painting -- one thing I learned, after awhile, is that, while practice helps, nothing helps so much as learning a few key "tips." Some of the best, most interesting effects, are not so much a matter of practice as they are a matter of a whole new technique.

The first time I tried detailing, I tried doing it by hand, freestyle. It was, as you can imagine, terrible. Once I figured out inkwashes and drybrushing, I could suddenly get TONS of cool effects with almost no effort. While I did get better, I realized that even with no experience and not much skill, my stuff looked a lot better just from trying a new technique.

The Grendel stuff I've painted -- and I think it looks pretty good -- was mostly a matter of spraying it with a matte black primer, and then drybrushing on some silver. Instantly it looked great in my DF setups, and it really took no skill at all to do it.

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#8809
Kinda OT: Cardstock Death Star 9 Years ago  
... . That said both Orbital and Ebbles stuff looks suprisingly very well next to the DF Scifi. In the early days of my DF buying, before i got lots of Sc-Fi sets i had mixed and matched a lot of the Orbital and DF they look pretty good together, if Eric is keeping his Geometry the same with this new stuff they should go nice together.
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Are we talking the Orbital stuff from Stone's Edges (SE) here?
If no, pardon the interruption.

If yes, I kinda have to disagree with you here GS.
SE's Orbital works off a base scale of an inch AND a half (38mm) and that does not work at all well with either the one inch (25mm) base of DF MM or even the 30mm base of the British stuff like Ainsty's.
The difference between the DF product and the Ainsty is bad enough, but the Orbital stuff is even more pronounced.
Plus, SE is a cardstock company that did not even bother to do any work in getting furnishings for its set which is pretty lazy for a card stock company IMHO.

Color-wise though, I will have to agree that it is close to that of DF SF MM and that may be pleasing to the eye, but the scale problem is really disturbing.

BTW, if SE's Orbital is what y'all are talking about and you still want to pick it up, you had better hurry and get it at RPGNow's shoppe.
The company appears to be "re-structuring" (we will see if it comes out on the other side - there have been some accusations of piracy on the WEB) and their sets have been retired as of 15 August.
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#8810
Kinda OT: Cardstock Death Star 9 Years ago  
Yes i was talking about Stone Edges Orbital, Eric who did that is the one doing the SW stuff.
As to the scale, yeah it was a 1.5 inch grid very much designed for Hero Clicks type stuff. You are right it is was off in that regards, and two of the three walls were 1.5 and 3 inchs, so they don't quit match up.
But if you don't base it on the grid he provided, you solve the problem of the wrong grid. The walls are a pretty close match to DF and that is my main point. Both Orbital as well as Mels stuff is not far off in shear size, in the height of the walls and thicknes. Yes it's a bit taller, and a bit deeper but for me it doesn't matter.
Is it perfect, no, but to me it doesn't look bad in the same set up, i really like it as an option for a lighter weight upper level, be it Mel or Orbital. And sicne there are a number of lenghts to the wall, the one that is 6 inchs could be used as a solution for helping to enclose the large Alpha pieces, put them beside it on the table and you have a long wall for the long floor, and it will be about the same hieght as the other walls, and you don't loose any of the floor space from the Alpha, it works for Mels too, and his are in inchs so closer in scale already.

But that's just me.
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#8811
Kinda OT: Cardstock Death Star 9 Years ago  
I am glad you are enjoying SE Orbital in your playing; that way you get a pay off on what you paid for.
It just is not for me and the guys I play with because it is 13mm scale larger than the 25mm standard we play at which is where DF is scale-wise.

BTW, I am not knocking Chris Roe's stuff at Ebbles.
I am sorry if you thought that as well; I have actually posted favorable comments concerning his accessories before here on the forum partly because they are in the same scale as DF SF MM.
I have been using some of the furnishings from his Derelict II series' Ambient Elements Collection in my DF SF MM for a while now.
I almost never use the walls though that Chris has made; I will generally blue tack some of his wall consoles and such to the walls of the DF SF MM I own instead.
Chris cranks out a decent product that works fairly well with DF.

Am I though looking forward to replacing his stuff with DF SF furnishings?
An overwhelming "Yes!" is the answer because I want furnishings that are more designed to go with the terrain I am using than his.

My main point earlier was simply that SE's orbital set is way out of scale with DF and may not be the best card accessories to use with DF product.
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#8812
Kinda OT: Cardstock Death Star 9 Years ago  
Still haven't been able to get shots of DF and the cardstock Death Star stuff together --

However, here are some pics of the Bespin Carbon Freeze that is also available, with more Bespin due to be released any day now.

This was rather tricky to assemble -- lots of curves, and I have to say, some of the pieces are not quite the right size -- took a lot of tinkering, and I'd probably have to build another one from the start if I really wanted it to be perfect. But this is fine for my purposes.

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#8813
Kinda OT: Cardstock Death Star 9 Years ago  
Here are some shots of the cardstock Bespin -- more on the way, but I haven't built enough to do anything but "trick" photos yet -- i.e. ones that make it look like a whole structure exists rather than just a few strategically placed walls....

It's pretty cool stuff...

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#8814
Kinda OT: Cardstock Death Star 9 Years ago  
Problem with a card stock Death Star is that Luke doesn't need a well-aimed proton torpedo - he just needs a couple of water balloons! ;)
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#8815
Kinda OT: Cardstock Death Star 9 Years ago  
L:

The photos look great!
Keep it up!

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Sometimes the jokes left here just leave one shaking one's head and going, "Huh?"
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#8816
Kinda OT: Cardstock Death Star 9 Years ago  
Thanks for the kind words, guys. Here are a few more, showing some of the furniture. I didn't do the best job with it, but the person who made this really went out of her way to reproduce the "modern art" items in the background on Bespin...

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#8817
Kinda OT: Cardstock Death Star 9 Years ago  
Oh it does look nice, got to get that one tommorrow, and make some stuff...
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