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#54044
Re:My Evil Underdark Thomarillion Library 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
jackattack wrote:
...and if they were available commercially (fully painted) I might consider buying some, but they aren't, so they really don't factor into my satisfaction with what I buy from DF.

You probably also know about those!

by Solo:















and by King Games:



www.kinggames.dk/shop/pre-painted-bookshelves-851p.html
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#54048
Re:My Evil Underdark Thomarillion Library 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Wish I had the $225 plus shippong to pick up those bookshelves. Would be a nice addition to my collection. :-)
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#54053
Re:My Evil Underdark Thomarillion Library 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Bravo Biowizard! I really like both layouts.

(I have an unpainted Thomarillion library set - am waiting for my Reaper Bones KS order to come through, since I ordered lots of paint as part of it. Hopefully any day now...).
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#54055
Re:My Evil Underdark Thomarillion Library 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
One of us has a technical issue with the Solo pics...
...and after checking my primary computer, it's me. My tablet does not like them, for whatever reason.

$45 for two painted shelves is outside my "are you kidding" limits, let alone $32 for one. [joke]And until European suppliers lower their shipping rates...[/joke]
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#54075
Re:My Evil Underdark Thomarillion Library 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
jackattack, my point was that "there are already pre-painted bookshelves available commercially", even if they are out of your price range. They are out of my price range too by the way and this is why I bought them unpainted and took the time to paint them myself! I also knew that I could do a better paint job by putting more care in the job. After having done this project, I can really say that I have a hard time understanding how Solo and King Games can make any profit by painting and selling those for "only" $32 a piece. This also makes me speculate why Stefan has not done a Library Set yet: the production cost of good-looking pre-painted bookshelves would be too high and turn off customers!

Anyway, I did a few close-ups of my painted bookshelves directly.

Here they are:

Bookshelves I



AND



Bookshelves II

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#54076
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Bookshelves III



AND



Bookshelves IV



AND

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#54077
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Necromant's Shelves



Alchemists' Shelves



Books & Scrolls



Workroom Accessories I

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#54078
Re:My Evil Underdark Thomarillion Library 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Candleholders (4)



Ladder



Maps

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#54080
Re:My Evil Underdark Thomarillion Library 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Awesome paint jobs. (speaking of which, I was amused to see in your post in the painting thread that you actually ARE a biowizard, which is pretty freakin awesome as well). I really like the maps accessory, I did not recognize it at all, which is what threw me to see it on the DF table. I think Rackham did a table that is a round table with maps and books sculpted onto it, which also threw me. (or, come to think of it, maybe it was Reaper -- they went through a phase of "wizard with accessory" back in 2011 or so)

I do wish Stefan would do a library. I've been asking for one for about a decade now! A library and a torture chamber. The latter would be of somewhat limited use, I understand, but the former would be just as versatile a dungeon accessory set as the tavern set, if not more so! Bookshelves and so on would work as isolated accessories in a ton of settings, and with the beds from the MBS set they'd be great inn accessories. Plus, with all those wizard minis out there, I want a place for them to store their books!
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#54081
Re:My Evil Underdark Thomarillion Library 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
And my point was to ask if it is feasible for DF to do library pieces or sets at a reasonable level of detail, in terms of sculpt and painting. They don't need to be the equal of the various custom paint jobs (which may actually include the pieces referenced as commercially available, being paints of another company's product), they just need to be clearly recognizable as library pieces.

Referencing other products, and their prices, is a useful response. Citing dissatisfaction on the merits of a previous DF product is also a useful response.

Claiming that people who have seen custom paint jobs would not be satisfied with anything less was not a useful response.
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#54084
Re:My Evil Underdark Thomarillion Library 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
jackattack wrote:
Claiming that people who have seen custom paint jobs would not be satisfied with anything less was not a useful response.

I did not meant to say that and perhaps it is the language barrier. I just meant to say, as you do, that I'm wondering if DF could ever manage to put into production a library Set that would satisfy both the high-standards and the wallets of DF customers. With my painting experience drawn from this project, I'm just saying that I believe this might not be possible...
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#54088
Re:My Evil Underdark Thomarillion Library 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Perhaps it was a language issue.

Moving on.

To me, the biggest sculptural difference between the Thomarillion pieces and the DF MBS piece is scale. The Thomarillion books are huge in comparison, which is actually an advantage when putting lots of shelves next to each other. It might also make it easier to add sculpted details to individual volumes, and to paint individual volumes in production.

Paint wise, The DF MBS shelves use four rather muted colors for books, another color for the shelves, another for the plaster of the walls, and the wooden beams are actually two-tone. If a new freestanding DF bookshelf was painted so the shelves were two-tone wood, and used four more colorful tones for books, it might have two colors "left" for details or non-book items. (Assuming that there is a limit to the number of colors that can be used on a piece, and that all paint colors cost the same.) And different shelves (different pieces) could have different colored books and items.

I'm fairly confident that Stefan could do something quite nice even with those constraints, if he were so inclined.

Given the level of detail we've seen in other DF pieces, it doesn't seem like sculpting or casting is much of an issue. I don't think the number of colors is a deal-breaker either. I suspect that the real sticking point is whether the painters at the factory can do the painting at their usual rates, or if painting at that level of detail would cost more. (Which was the issue with the RotA intersection.)
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