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#5265
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 8 Months ago  
Thanks for the kind words, guys.

MLV: I do have some pics of the dragon before I began painting him, sitting in a DF display, surrounded by figs. I'll post a pic tonight. As for the scales -- yes, it's all about the drybrushing.

IO: I used a pretty big brush for all three of the initial stages -- basic coat, inkwash, drybrush. It's a one-inch wide brush.

Two small setbacks from that approach:
1. The large brush made inkwashing messier, and wetter, than I'm used to. That meant that in some cases, the ink washed right off too soon, and didn't make for the stark contrast I wanted, esp. between scales. It's better than nothing, but in some cases it was weaker than I wanted. PLUS...

2. The large brush also meant that when I drybrushed, I occasionally got areas that I didn't want highlighted. Particularly under the wings, there are areas with a lot of "skin" showing, and only some scales. Rather than picking out the scales, my big brush did the whole thing, making the skin and the scales the same color, rather than leaving me with brighter scales.

:(

So -- since these pics were taken, I've gone to the most troublesome areas and given them a very thick, dark inkwash. Thick, so it wouldn't run (another problem: the areas are almost completely vertical, so the wash runs off very fast) and dark so it would really leave the skin dark. I'm going to use a much smaller brush tonight to pick out the scales with some drybrushing.

As for picking them out still more -- this is the point I was apprehensive about before I began. With green, you have like 10 stages of brightness to work with. You begin with a dark, dark green, and you move through brighter and brighter, until you're dealing with yellow - very bright. With red, though, once you hit pure orange, you've gone as far as you can go. I don't know if these pics show it, but I'm kinda there.

With drybrushing, one thing that some people (like me) forget is that the more you do it, the stronger the highlights. You can keep doing it and doing it and watch things take more and more vivid form. Your scales, in other words, get brighter and brighter. So I'm going to go at it some more, hopefully they'll start to really glow. But part of me suspects, well, orange is by definition less bright than yellow (since orange is yellow diluted with red) and that means it won't EVER be as bright as I could get with a green dragon.

Still, that's why I went with yellow wings and a yellow ridge down the spine. The dragon may have a slightly darker body than a green would have, but there will still be some great contrasts in there, in the wings and the spinal ridge. I'm using the tiny felldrake I posted earlier as a color inspiration -- I like that fiery ridge running down his back. Since the bulk of this dragon is covered in scales, there wouldn't be room for TOO much highlighting beyond that, anyway -- the scales would be rather uniform in color, and there isn't much skin showing to leave a contrast. So I think the end result will look pretty good.

I'll post a few more in-progress pics when I'm done tonight, and hopefully either tomorrow or the next day this bad boy'll be ready for a coat of matte varnish.

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#5266
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 8 Months ago  
No, I am not a passionless fox.

Well, another red dragon has been "born". Unfortunately, I cannot be cheered with the prospect. Your progress is good though. I would agree with all of IO's painting advice.

Your colour scheme seems to be that of an Eldar Avatar. That means from the true black level of your deepest shading to the pure white or silver of your highest highlighting tips should be about 20-25 levels of shading and highlighting, yes? A friend of mine ended up doing 25 levels with the Avatar that had this same colour scheme and she won 17 miniature/figure painting contests with it back in 1997 & 1998.

I hope to see that here with your dragon.

As far as the old items, remember that a brush and some solvent can sure solve those problems. Strip them and paint them over now that you have matured in your painting skill. You will like the finished product a lot better than you do now. Maybe leave one to be able to show yourself how far you actually have travelled?

Best wishes on the final product.
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#5267
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 8 Months ago  
Thanks for the best wishes, RF. I promise after a lot of practice, I'll try something more exotic on a similarly impressive sculpt. I just want to make sure I have a good chromatic in my collection first.

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#5268
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 8 Months ago  
Here's that pic of the full size of Marthrangul. Tonight's progress was slow, I didn't get to paint as much as I'd hoped. Still, I am pleased with how it's going.

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#5269
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 8 Months ago  
Law,

Thanks for Posting that Shot... Wow! Now that is a Wyrm! Ireally Hope that WotC Eventually Releases some "Collosal" Sized Figures... I Think that their Scale is a Bit Off When it Comes to Dragons, (Likely because they are trying to Keep the Entire Figure on a Specified Sized Base)... Were I to Define a Size I would Call that a Huge Dragon, but it is Nicely Larger then the Huge Dragons that I have Seen from WotC to Date... Thanks again for the Comparative Shot... The Final Paint Job should be pretty Kewl...
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#5270
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 8 Months ago  
Nice work on the paint there. Now that I've seen the scale of the thing (with the red on it) it does look awfully impressive in red.
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#5271
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I Shoulda' Just Suggested Hot-pink with Raceing Stripes...<Chuckle>...
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#5272
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 8 Months ago  

Thanks for Posting that Shot... Wow! Now that is a Wyrm! Ireally Hope that WotC Eventually Releases some "Collosal" Sized Figures...


I think the rumor mill is saying that WotC will be releasing some Collosal sized figures "soon". I've heard they plan an AT-AT for the Star Wars line and something for the DnD miniatures line too. I don't have any further information as I don't follow the DnD miniatures stuff, but have just read it in passing on other message boards.
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#5273
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 8 Months ago  
Actually, if you just want really cool dragons, prepainted, cheap, and BIG, McFarlane is about to release some AMAZING dragon figures. They have almost no articulation, they're basically plastic statues, but they look GREAT.

Follow the link for more pics:
www.spawn.com/features/dragons/

I believe each dragon is about 5 inches high, maybe six. Roughly the same scale as Marthrangul here. Probably will cost about $10 each. :D
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#5274
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 8 Months ago  
Not bad for a McCrap Toy. It almost seems like he has finally realized they aren't Action figures, becuase if you play with them the break. Heck they break if you leave them sitting on shelves. and isn't trying to market them as super posable action figures any more and marketing them like they actually are really nice statues, that should not be moved much.
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#5275
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 8 Months ago  
I do not know if this line is crap as Ghenghis Ska says, but the figure L shows here looks very fragile.
I do not do figures just to place them on a shelf.
Are these dragons sturdy enough to wargame with?
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#5276
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 8 Months ago  
Well, my thinking is this: since they don't really have any articulation, it's easy enough to glue them together if they break. I'm sure that anything I use Zap-a-Gap on is going to STAY fixed. Since I won't be worried about posing them, it should be fine.

I'm planning to get all these for gaming -- I'll keep you all updated on whether or not they fall apart.....


Still, for $10 -- I mean, even if you're lucky enough to pull the Huge Gold and Huge Red from GoL after buying two boosters, that's still $40 for two dragons. MK dragons tend to be $15-30, Reaper dragons of this size are at least $25, GW of course is $50... I can't really find too much wrong with the thought of detailed, appropriately-sized $10 dragons.

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