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#5253
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
If the Two Felldrakes are Equal Efforts, the Detail in the Green Far outshines that of the Red, (In my Less than Humble Opinion of Course...<Grin>...)
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#5254
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#5255
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
Once again I vote for Red...
it somehow looks right
;-)
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#5256
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
Yes, the two drakes are equal efforts. Not only is the red less detailed, the pics actually exaggerate how bright it is -- the direct lighting makes it look brighter, and drowns out the brightness on the green one. In less direct light, the green one still looks bright, but the red one looks very dark.

Here are some other shots of these drakes, adn two others.

I do have to say this -- these other drakes make me kind of tempted to make it red, just for a bright yellow highlight along the wings and edges of the spikes along his back. I don't know that the green would offer the same thing -- at least this practice run makes the red work more.

L



Hey You Gotta Do what'cha Gotta Do Man... I Have Little Doubt it will look Great in the Final Analysis...
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#5257
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
Well, I think I'm decided - it's gonna be red. I'm hoping to get some exciting highlights along the central ridge of scales, and along the wings.

A green dragon is still going to happen, but not with this guy. His scales aren't perfectly designed for the kind of paint technique I have in mind, anyway. Plus, he just looks like a RED dragon, no matter how unable I am to make a red dragon look perfect.

Ah well. So red it is.

(oh, and here's a shot of the kind of green dragon I have in mind -- though I won't be buying Viridius any time soon, I am going to try this technique with some similar dragon)
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#5258
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
What a WASTE if you do it in red!! Too many wannabees do dragons in red.

If you look at the D&D monster volumes (which evidently are the industry standard; maybe because that franchise is the only one to really trying to institutionalize all of fantasy) there are three dragon families (genus) with ~6 dragon species in each. With ~18 dragon species to pick from, why in the world would you inflict gaming with another red dragon?!?

At this point I must say that I really like your green work and must ask, "Are you really the painter of the redwork?" They look like they have been done by someone with considerably less skill.

Please, stand up and be willing to break out from the herd and do something more. My vote is for a family (genus), not a particular species of dragon.

I STRONGLY vote NO!! against Chromatics of all species - they have been overdone to the point of being ready for regurgitation of any meal left in one's bowels. Yes, the sculptor may have had a Chromatic in mind when making the original piece, but why must that enslave you?!?

I then also vote against the Metallics unless you WANT this dragon to be some sort of hero. It is a figure with enough presence that it could be a strong hero. This has not been done as much as the Chromatics, but it has been done a fair amount and there is a genus you can be more of a trendsetter in than Metallics.

My vote is for the figure to be painted as a Gematic - a dragon of neutral orientation. The perambulation of your paint job with this figure is almost infinite in the gematic theme. The start is the five documented species I know of: Amethyst, Crystal, Emerald, Sapphire, Topaz. I have heard rumor of Ruby/Garnet and Opal dragons as well, but I have not seen any documentation on those species. Then you can take it where you want. Yes, the sculpting will not be exact for those perfectionists among us, but you can break some serious new ground. Actually, I do vote for a species - Opal. You should paint it as a Great Opal. If you can achieve the internal fire and the kaleidoscope of colour of the great opal, you have really accomplished something and have not just accepted insignificance among the masses. Painting the figure as a Chromatic in my (definitely NOT humble) opinion, is doing a disservice to yourself, the money you spent, the effort you will put into painting the figure with such presence and then for the rest of us in the community. You have already arrived in skill with the Greens, now move on.

My wife says you should go a different way. She says you should examine a couple of the tail feathers of the cock of peafowl and go that direction. The deep iridescent greens, blues and purples with black and charcoal shadow tones and gold highlights do make rather impressive dragons. Sorry, I do not have pics of her work, but I do like her dragons. She has been thinking about trying out the opal scheme, but has not had the chance yet to try it out.

Whatever you do, just stay away, FAR AWAY from the Chromatics.

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#5259
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
Heh don't hold back RF tell us how you really feel < grin >
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#5260
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
I was gonna say -- "Calm, almost passionless Fox" is less appropriate a name, I think. ;)

Well, it certainly is a passionate argument, but I really don't have the same goals at the moment. As for the greens, I just want to make clear -- that Viridius paint job was not mine. I did the drakes and the cavern crawler, but that Viridius is from CMON.

Still, it is true that I'm better with green than with red.

However, here's a key point: as common as the red dragon is, and I agree it is so obvious it becomes a bit TOO obvious, I don't actually have one myself. I have the plastic D&D red dragons, and I have a red dragon that I painted when I was first starting (i.e. one that looks bad) But I don't have a red dragon that I've done since I've learned a thing or two about inkwashing, drybrushing, highlighting, blending. So even if I eventually branch out, I would like ONE red dragon in my collection, at least.

And as you pointed out, RF, this is sculpted as a chromatic. I can see how a really great painter could do something fantastic with this by doing it up as a gematic dragon -- but I don't think I'm there yet. Still, anything with a kind of "inner fire" under a crystal top -- that would be spectacular. But I'm not there.

So I'm going with red. It may be hoi polloi of me, but there you are. I'll try something more exotic and special next time, I promise.

L
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#5261
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
Actually, the first wave of painting is nearing comlpetion. This is after a first coat of a bright orange, followed by an inkwash in dark red (a reddish brown, actually), followed by several shades of drybrushing in red and then orange, followed by a lot of experimentation on the wings.

What's left: more work on the wings, evening out the blending and adding more drybrushing, esp. around the edges.

Detail work on the face, including lots of work around the horns.

Work on the claws and the tip of the tail.

There may be more, actually, and I may try more drybrushing. Also, the belly needs a light brown inkwash -- low priority, since it's nearly invisible, always totally covered.
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#5262
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
Tell you what - it was the right descission... (sorry RF ;-)
This guy will look awesome!!!

Damn is this a beauty... cant wait to see it done...
:-D
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#5263
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
Law,

Now that you are Commited, (We should all probably be Commited...<Snicker>...), I would like to post a request, Just for Comparative reasons, Could you Post a Pic of the Next "Wave" of Painting with a Couple of Common D&D Minis so that we can really get an Idea of the Overall size of this Thing?

Looking Good in any Event, and I am thinking that I would like to see the Scales "Picked" out a bit more... How would you do that?
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#5264
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
The boy's got skills :D nice work! :D

As for your question MLV, you could have either dry brushed a little more, or now I'd come in and highlight each scale; a bit of work but could bring nice results.

L,

What size brush did you use for your dry brush? On somthing like this after my base coat was applied, I'd dry brush with a LARGE brush like one for painting trim/molding in your house. Have the whole thing ready for details after about 10 mins.
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