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#5241
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 5 Months ago  
While it does look like a 3.X red dragon and is a classic of the game yadha yadha yadha

i almost want to say Brown or grayish! or some other color that is more "real" world look at a monitor lizard or something, i have always wanted to do a dragon like that, something that looks "natural" instead of Bright Read, or silver etc....

But since it is for a Fantasy game go with Red.
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#5242
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 5 Months ago  
Oooh! A last minute wrench in the works!

Here is my quasi-detailed account of why this works the way it does:

Bright green is relatively easy to dry-brush, and dark green is nearly black. The gradual blending up can make the scales of a green dragon really "leap out" at you, and can make a lot of the details of a sculpt stand out.l

Bright red is almost orange, however, and dark red doesn't have much definition. The distinction between dark and light in a red dragon isn't that vibrant, that intense. It looks a little flat.

Part of it is this little secret: the final stage of highlighting with green is actually yellow. The yellow is nearly imperceptible, but it really sings. It makes the highest edges of the sculpt stand out, and it sharpens the definition of the model. The final stage of highlighting with red is probably got to be orange, although you could try red. Either way, it's not as bright. It just won't leave as vibrant a distinction between the tones on the piece. That's why, IMHO, it can look a little flat. (one trick I picked up: do a final stage of highlighting in white, and then do it again in red -- the red stays red instead of becoming pink, but it has a brighter quality than the orange, and it's still red, as opposed to orange -- it is a sharper, cleaner red than the rest of the piece, so you still get the benefits of highlighting, but it doesn't lose its tone through being diluted with orange)

It's of course possible, for great painters, to make a red dragon really shine. But I do think green is easier, tends to work better. Once I have my digital camera, I'll post a few small pics of red and green dragons I've painted, so you can really see how much better the green can look.

So here's the problem: green might LOOK better, and I know that as a painter I am better with green.

But red -- red is just RIGHT for a big honkin' dragon. Red is just what you want to see with a big dragon like this...

Hmm....

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#5243
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 5 Months ago  
Law,

Ok... Now I am Just Finding this Post Now, and there are some Great Arguments for either...

This is My Opinion though... Red Dragons are Every Where... When Some one Paints a Great Red Dragon there are Pics all over the Place... And Red is Just such a Classic... BUT... Green would be Really Kewl because it is less anticipated... Especially by Non-gamers who see your Gear... They expect to See Red Dragons... So My Vote is to have somthing unexpected... That Having been Said... I think that you underestimate your capacity to Detail a Miniature, and I Believe that a Black or Blue Dragon could be very well Done... Especially a Black Dragon! Given your own descriptions of how you might address the Issues of a Dark Green Dragon... Well Why not do Similar Stuff with Black... Use Dark Blues, Purples and Silvers, even some Dark Reds to bring out Highlights... Giving the Hint that there is more Color to this Ancient Beast... It does not have to be all Jet Black right?

So my Vote is for Black... What Ever you Decide I will be looking forward to seeing the Results...
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#5244
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 5 Months ago  
A really well-painted black dragon can look SPECTACULAR, and you're right, the way to do it is with blues and purples. But I can't do it, not yet. This is too big and expensive and special a model to ruin with an experimental paint job. This is for things I've already learned to do, at least a little.

Whites, it's the same thing. With blues, you can get shading and detail work, but it's tough. I've done it to my satisfaction on smaller pieces, like Gandalf the White, for example. But for a big dragon like this, you really are gonna kick yourself later if you mess it up at ALL. So....

Still can't make up my mind. Part of me wants to go with red and just do my darndest to knock it outta the park, for some reason even though green would look good technically I also feel like this needs to be a red dragon.

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#5245
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 5 Months ago  
It's a metal mini, worst case you have to get a soft brush and some solvent and start all over, don't be afraid to spread your wings. Now a plastic mini this size would be a one way trip.....
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#5246
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 5 Months ago  
If you're really worried about messing up the paint, maybe you should practice on something smaller. Reaper recently released a new basilisk (#02841) that has some really nice texture on it, and would be a good practice piece for your dragon paint job.


http://www.reapermini.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=2215&cat=0&page=1
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#5247
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 5 Months ago  
Law,

You were the one who Painted the Saurians right? Based on those, I Think you would be able to do ANY of these ideas Justice... But I also understand the Desire to Really WOW with this piece, so I will be curious to "see" the results... It Just does not seem like your Heart is in the Red Dragon Concept... Sounds like part of you wants to... <Ahem>... Spread your Wings...<Smirk>...
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#5248
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 5 Months ago  
Tonight I'll post a pic of the Reaper Cavern Crawler that I did in green, as well as some old Chainmail felldrakes, some are green and some are red. From there you can see what I'm thinking about.

As for practice, I took an old metal mini I regretted getting and I experimented with various combinations of basic coats and washes to see what kind of red I could do. I tried a basic coat in white, one in pink, and one in orange, and then I gave the whole thing a deep red inkwash, to see if any looked great. None looked that good. They all retained too much of the original color -- white, pink, and orange. (This isn't what happens with a green, brown, or blue inkwash -- things end up looking green, brown or blue -- with red, for some reason, it doesn't work)

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#5249
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Roger that... Look forward to seeing them...
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#5250
Help! I needs me some dragon advice! 9 Years, 5 Months ago  
ALSO DELETED, sorry...

OK, here are some pics for comparisons. To be honest, in going over the pics, I'm not sure the green drakes look that much better than the red ones. There are some pics I'm not posting, I wanted to keep it to three.

A better comparison than the drakes is the basilisk and the cavern crawler. The basilisk looks okay, but it's muted. The crawler really shines, I think. The detail in the scales really works for me. Keep in mind, the basilisk is actually the REVERSE of what the dragon would be -- orange underbelly, red scales, not red underbelly with orange scales. Orange IS brighter, and some bright orange highlights would look good. But the basic scales would be much darker, unlike with the green version.

Hmmmm...
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#5251
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THe green one rocks... I have to admit it...
But still.... a Dragon (evil) has to be red!!!
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#5252
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It's gotta be RED. I don't remember Smaug breathing out chlorine gas!!!
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