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#4915
Nead some help in evaluting D&D minis... 9 Years, 11 Months ago  
The whole trick to D&D minis, to complete a set, is to buy at least as many boosters as there are rares in the set. From there you can trade the rares to get the ones you're missing. You'll probably get all the commons and uncommons with 20+ boosters, but if not trading to get those is trivial.

If you don't know, maxminis.com is the place to trade them. Go into the trading forums, announce what you have and what you need, and somebody will contact you. Simple.

This ain't rocket science. I buy two cases of each set, and manage to get a complete set each time (plus more). Costs me $200, and I get 192 miniatures. It's hard to beat paying around $1 each for nicely pre-painted minis that match exactly what are in the D&D books.
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#4916
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Really?!? What good is a single Orc? Seems to me the distribution scheme is a very GOOD thing for D&D players. I can use a hundred Orcs, but I really only need one Large Red Dragon.


Right, well, that's why I worded it the way I did. I said that it is designed to do that, so people who want minis for games, they should be pretty happy. For my SW collecting, that's how I want it.

But notice -- for SW minis, this is the only source. So if I want a hundred stormtroopers taking on Luke and Ben, that's fine. But with D&D, what good is a single orc? Not much. But I have thousands of orcs. I have tons from Reaper, older ones from Ral Partha and Grenadier, I have orcs from GW and orcs from the Chainmail line. I also have DF's orcs.

So for me, I just like one of each of the D&D minis. I think they look good, and so I like to have them. There are some I wouldn't mind skipping, but they tend to be commons, so I end up with them anyway. But I still pretty much just get them because I think they look good, not because I "need" them to play. For armies, it's like I said above, I prefer the GW boxed sets. I have to assemble and paint them, but the price is right, plus I get a little more variety than by just repeating the same fig over and over (though I can do that, too, if I wish) and so on.

But I did want to make it clear that the difficulty getting rare figures doesn't have to be a problem. For people approaching it the way you do, or the way I do with the SW minis, it's just right -- you get almost every rare you want, and along the way you pick up armies of commons so it works the way it should. It's actually a pretty ingenious way of doing things, I think. From a business standpoint, certainly.

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#4917
Nead some help in evaluting D&D minis... 9 Years, 11 Months ago  
Yeah, if you want tons of figures for a new player or GM or such it is a great thing which is one of the things WotC is going for, and WotC designed this knowing people like L exist, who are essentially collecting, if they buy packs a collector can sell / trade the Commons they don't want to people who do, or just sell/trade the Rares to get what they want (a Store likes them becuase it drives secondary market and makes the line desirable to a seller possibly over say reaper, which are always just sitting there waiting for someone to buy them the D&D minis sell fast, every time i go into my FLGS there are Tons of reaper minis, and they are taking up floor space, people buy them but the turn around is slow, they are an investment in merch (reaper) you order and they sit, these fly, and the store if it wants can sell individual ones to make a different kind of profit).
It was designed with the secondary market in mind, people who buy cases looking for just a set end up with lots of commons and uncommons, and they help me out, i want a BUNCH of Naboo soldiers, but they are are uncommon, i got 5 from cases, just bought 5 in an E-bay auction, and traded for 4, so i have 14, enough for me to do just about anything i want with a Naboo setup. Even have a Pewter Naboo, and some other sources to go with them. so my Naboo Army is HUGE, (Lots of Gungans too heheeheh). And L wants just a few, he can sell trade me the Uncommons he wants for me extra rares or Very rares, (as an example)

But on the Side of GW, i agree they are Cheap, increadably cheap, as in a product of poor quality. You get what you pay for. A few years ago (2000) i bought on recomindation of a trusted Employee of my LGS at the time a bunch of orcs/goblins forget what they are called in GW and Skeletons, and the like in those GW boxed sets. I spent the weekend putting them together and painting them, for the Game, packed them up in a box to take (i didn't buy a GW army case with padded walls etc for them) and took them to my game. I used them and that first sesssion by the time i was done about 3 skeletons were missing body parts, 1 before even i started the session, now none of them are still whole, the Skeletons were all broken apart within 2 years the Goblins within 3, they are cheap, and to me if they break withing a month not worth it. after that first session they were left in one place and not moved, and were almost all utterly wrecked within a year. I no longer by any GW figures becuase they if cheap are totally cheap and not worth the money, or very overpriced for all of the Pewter ones.
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#4918
Nead some help in evaluting D&D minis... 9 Years, 11 Months ago  
All of these are Good Points...

For Myself, Living in the "Backwoods" of the Gaming community, (I Have moaned about this point before, but there is ONLY 1 In town Source for D&D anything, and it is a Comic Book Store that Carries Some CMG stuff because it is Collectable), there is no really solid Trading Base here... Which Leaves E-bay, Maxminis etc. for Picking up Specific Figures... This Means Paying $5.00 to $10.00 per Shipment on top of the Price of the Mini itself... So If I want an odd ball miniature such as say an Ogre from Harbinger (Average Price seems to be Between $20-$25), So let's go low and Say I Could Find one for $20, Add Say $6 for Shipping... And Damn... There is the Cost of Two Boosters Right there! Tree Forbid I Wanted a $30 or $40 Rare...

It Quickly becomes more Cost effective for me to Just Pre-order Cases (Currently around $100 for a Case of Boosters when ordered ahead of time)... For the Price of 4-5 Specific Rares I Can Get 12, BUT I Have no Control over what I am Going to Get... AND the Out of Print Stuff like Harbinger is Just plain Difficult to Find...

So In Short, This is where my 4 Cases Theory Comes from... (Though Still not a Guarantee)...

As to Armies of Commons... Damn Skippy! The Only Orcs that I do not have at Least Seven of each of are the Orc Archer, and the Orc Spearman from the Harbinger Series, and that is Only because I Did not Start Buying these things until Dragoneye... (I Might have a total of 2 Starters and 5-6 Boosters of the Harbinger)... I Have Lots of Kobalds, Goblins and Zombies... Dire Rats and Dire Weasles Galore Etc... More Miscellaneous Men at Arms of one Sort or another than I can Recall off hand, and a Bunch of Tree-ents, yet for Some Reason there are Rares that Still escape me from Every Set...

This may sound Negative, but it really is not, if anything It is Just commentary on the way this stuff is Marketed... I Only Hope that at some Point WotC gets smart and releases some Non-collector designated Sets in the Future for those of us that really want the Minis more than the "Collection"...

Now for the Part that "Scares" me... WotC is using Playground Crack dealer tactics on us over all... In that I mean, when Harbinger, Dragoneyes and Archfiends were released they were $10 a pop... for Eight Minis... Now they are $13 at the Store... Harbinger Starters had 16 miniatures to a set for $20... Aberations had 12 Miniatures to a Starter... SW has but 10, 2 of which are not Randomized at all... So where is this Leading? The Pattern is that the per set cost to us is going up, and the Number of Figures per purchase is Going down... That has me worried...
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#4919
Nead some help in evaluting D&D minis... 9 Years, 11 Months ago  
Well, prices have gone up, but in all fairness, the price of SW is partly determined by the fees they owe Lucasfilm. SW is always going to cost a little more, sadly. Still, for the same price as two action figures I can get a bunch of small figures, and that's assuming the action figures are at the old price. Lately stores charge around $8 for a SW fig, and that REALLY makes the minis look cheap!

(oh, and as for GW plastics -- huh. Mine have never broken. I will say that the plastic boxes have gotten a LOT more appealing over the years -- back in 2000 I turned my nose up at the orc and skeleton boxes, but since then they have come out with the great Sauruses, the great new Chaos warriors, the great Ogres on the way this month...)

(oh, and in any case certainly D&D minis are the least breakable in the world -- there's just no getting around that -- no minis, even MK minis, are as durable)

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#4920
Nead some help in evaluting D&D minis... 9 Years, 11 Months ago  
Law,

I Whole heartedly understand the "Lucas" angle... But does it not Seem that When WotC saw that they Could Charge $13 for SW, all of the Sudden the Prices Went up and the Quantities came down for D&D?

And Again, I wish to Stress that I Love these Things and will Keep Buying them as long as they Keep Production Going...

As to GW... Your Painted Sauruses were Really Kewl! And I Look forward to Seeing your Efforts with the Ogres... (These are Plastic too)?
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#4921
Nead some help in evaluting D&D minis... 9 Years, 11 Months ago  
we once did the prices on the differences between SW RPG stuff and D&D RPG, an lucas Gets a % increase, i forget what exaclty but it oddly works out pretty close so that he gets his cut from the one less figure, the D&D and SW minis are the same price per booster, $13. These things are made out of plastic, plastic is made from oil right?... look at the price of oil, WotC may have actually just gotten a clue before hand and raised prices before the huge crunch on oil, and doesn't need to raise prices now. But that is speculation.

As for the reasons for Price increase, The set before GoL for D&D was suppossed to be $13 but it was orignally put up on the WotC webpage at the $10 price not the $13, and when feelers were put out to see if the $13 price woudl fly there was a HUGE backlash against it. Rumors were rampant, there were reports of e-mails from Wotc to Stores, Distrubutors about the price increase etc, and after the fact there were a number of sealed cases that showed up at places, with stickers on them saying $13... it is pretty well supported that Arch was going to go to $13 due to rising costs, (working out the distrubution so you no longer got 6 of the same rare in a case, painting, production etc) but people complained about raiseing prices etc, WotC was FLOODED with E-mails the boards went crazy with people threating to boycott, etc, at that time a number of People also noticed that the $10 price for it on the WotC page was gone, no one can say for sure when it was taken down it just didn't list a MSRP, and every set after GoL at that time didn't list a price, (SW minis were also orinally listed at one time as $10, but said subject to change, when a final price was set, it was at $13 for 12 in a case, something that started with GoL all WotC mini cases would be 12 boosters to case no longer 16, which oddly keeps about the same price point of a case 16x10=$160 for a case, 12x13=$156) so when SW came out at $13 and the next D&D set came out at $13 most people thought that it was a reaction to SW that D&D got bumped in price, but the price increase had been in the works before the seconf SW was confirmed, CS was not listed anywhere, when it was All D&D were 13, and so were all SW.

SW did not set the price it was just the first set at that price, there was no other non huge D&D set between GoL and SW. If you look in the WotC catalogue for the sets after GoL and Before SW the D&D sets were set at $13, well before SW came out. the increase was in the works well before hand.

while the # of figures has gone down in a starter, and i think it is only a starter for D&D the Price of the Starter has not gone up while the price of a booster has, the # in a booster is still the same, if you go and check the "price per figure" a booster gives you $1.625 for a figure, if you still had 16 in a starter the starter would cost $26, now with 12 you get, 19.50, as close to $20 as you can get with out going over, and they now guarantee a commander i belive don't they and a Rare? they still give you the value for your money as compaired to the rest of the line and met a customer complaint that there were no Commanders in a starter, you couldn't play out of the box.
SW is different with far fewer figures but 2 rare... many people trade up to 4 figures and those are uncommon for a rare, or a rare sells for much more than a Common, so the two rares make up a large number of Common, some say a rare - 4 Common, or 2-3 uncommon (going by what you get in a booster), having two in a starter, means at least 2-4 less figures for the same "value", and the figures they are knocking out at the Commons and uncommons, the figures many people complain about getting too many of as it is... which do you want even more of a Common figure or a set rare, sorry 2 set rares?

There may be a decrease in Deathknell i saw something about 7 in a box for D&D, but if the price of the main component is going up, you eihter have to raise prices, or find some way to cut the costs if you don't, on U figure is the best way, espically since they now have Large Uncommon, which can push cherry picking, and will generalyl increase the cost of production, you are using more material, more plastic in a larger number of minis something has to give, most large figures are 3 times the size of a medium, that has to come from somewhere.

Don't look at the number of minis with out factoring in the cost, you see a drop in Minis and look only at that... There are some real reasons for the way things are.

MLV The orc archer is Uncommon, you shouldn't have as many of him
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#4922
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GhengisSka,

Thanks for the Info... There is Back story there that I was Not aware of... Does not really change my opinion about Randomization over all, but it is a good basis for a legit Cost increase... As to the Orc Archer and Spearman, I actually do not have ANY of either, as none of the Harbinger I managed to get a hold of contained these miniatures... And as I have already stated, Over all for "Me", the Pro's still outweigh the Con's... I Apologize if my Comments appeared to be a Rant... It is simply a matter of Expense for me, as I do not have the Resources of some of my Compatriots here...<Grin>... So I was attempting to answer the Original Question from myown perspective...

Which I suppose brings up the Issue of Collectability... I Don't Buy these as a Baseball Card kind of Investment effort... So to me a Rare is only Significant in the Sense that it it hard to come by (And that they Tend to be Very Detailed, and interesting Minis)... The Figures are literaly being purchased to Game with (RPG)... So I have a harder time seeing it from the Skirmisher's or the Collectors point of view... I Don't mind paying a little more for a Larger more well Detailed Miniature if it is something that I want to have...

So someone who is still making a decision about rather to Start Buying the WotC plastics would ultimatlely have to ask themselves those types of Questions... Do I want to Randomly Build a Warband, Invest in my Kids College Education (By Buying And Eventually Selling off Highly Collectable Miniatures for instance), or maybe Want a really good selection of Monsters from the D&D Core Rules Books Etc...

And I Guess it is safe to say that all of us have our own takes on this stuff, which is one of the reasons I dig reading all of the posts here!
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#4923
Nead some help in evaluting D&D minis... 9 Years, 8 Months ago  
I love being able to throw many of these into a box and go with it. Try that with a bunch of metle minis. Chip city. Hey does this guy look femilier? He was the dire boar from the Chainmail mini's before he got into Harbinger....
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#4924
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I Never actually Saw the Harbinger Dire Boar... But I Do Agree Heartily about the relative Durability of the New Mini's... I am Really Enjoying the Death Knell right Now...
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#4925
Nead some help in evaluting D&D minis... 9 Years, 8 Months ago  
One word, "Beholder".

It's a great sculpt. I never truly liked the original ball with tentacles style. But the Deathknell version is so kick ass. And yes the painting is definitely getting a lot better.
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#4926
Nead some help in evaluting D&D minis... 9 Years, 7 Months ago  
here an article ( in french) that explain why D&D miniatures can be very nice. But all are not . The best way is to choose some and buy them on ebay

here are my conclusions
you can buy the "C" and "U" on ebay but only the monsters, because the men are not so well painted

some photos on the article
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/michel.baraban1/DD%20miniatures/donjons__dragons_miniatures.htm
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