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#4523
Cavern inspirations 9 Years, 9 Months ago  
I've been a little quiet for a few days, after I got my HA molds...

First thing I decided to do was ditch the idea of making the regular DF style room sections. Instead I used the concept of the cavern sections and started to produce 4x4 inch flat floor pieces and built a selection of wall configurations for them. I made the wall openings to conform with the set of short passages, and decided I really wanted the cavernous passages next (which should arrive in a couple of days).

The images show 3 fully painted sections, 2 assembled, but unpainted, 1 section with the basecoat, and 1 completely unassembled piece in the lower right corner, together with various cavern pieces and short passages.
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#4524
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Incredible... It is Obvious that HA in the Right Hands is a Very Potent Tool... Not For the First time I Wish that DF had decided to make all 4x4 Floors from the Begining... (Or 10cmx10cm if that is what they are)...
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#4525
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Thanks!

To be exact, the floor sections turn out to be 101 mm square. The cavern pieces are actually smaller, just 97-98 mm. Depending on how I arrange the pieces this gap is more or less obvious.

Square rooms consisting of any number of sections connected by short passages is just as fun to play around with as the cavern sections, and there is a lot of appeal with the cavern in finding different ways to arrange the pieces. I'm just having fun! :D
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#4526
Cavern inspirations 9 Years, 9 Months ago  
So Did You "Build" a Floor/Wall/Corner... Etc... And then "Cast" that Piece as a Mold and Go From there? They Really Do look Great AND very DF Friendly!
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#4527
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Whoa! Finally, someone did it! I've been waiting to see the fieldstone pieces used to make an exact duplicate of DF walls. That is impressive. I think this is going to happen for me in the next few months.

And the floor pieces are clearly the newish "cracked floor" pieces, which look spectacular.

I have only one question, so I can do this as well -- how'd you base it? I noticed that with small pieces, you can leave out the base altogether and just have the HA blocks glued together. That is stable enough. With larger pieces, some people swear by using cardstock or something similar under the floor, just to strengthen it.

What did you do? I ask because, of course, it affects the height, and getting the floors to match up perfectly is probably the only other tricky part besides matching color.

I'd like to come up with things like what you've shown here, large room elements like the cavern pieces, but I'd also like to do two other things:

1. Using the basic DF-style at first, segue into something more elaborate, with higher walls and more intricate design elements. Columns built into the walls, steps, windows, etc. They'd grow naturally right out of the DF walls, and the beginning would actually be HA mimicing DF.

2. Build a second-floor for DF. Just make a whole set of rooms, structures, WHATEVER. In any style, fieldstone or not. But THEN, base it all on 3" high fieldstone pieces that match DF. Maybe in some places actually put stuff on the lower part.

Then, you can just put it together and instantly add a second level to the DF stuff. And with HA, the second level could have balconies on it, or ramparts, it could involve all sorts of elaborate stuff -- and the DF could be the dungeon underneath. It would be very cool.

Alternatively, I'd like to use the molds to just make a base so I can build second floors with DF. I've discovered that using the columns is difficult because corner pieces and so forth need a LOT to stabilize them, and so it adds up. You can only really make one BIG room, with the large floor pieces, and minimal regular pieces. I'd like to make some stuff with HA that has columns liberally sprinkled around in the right places, so I can lay out the support for a second-floor made of DF instantly.

Lots of possibilities. I never did too much because I don't have the fieldstone molds, any of them, and without them the contrast between DF and HA is too great. You need to use them, either entirely use them, or at least use them to get a smooth transition from one style to the next.

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#4528
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They really do look Great here...
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#4529
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MLV: No, the pieces are not cast as such. I do it the hard way - casting the bits over and over again and glue them tile by tile and wall piece by wall piece!

L: I use two layers of plywood glued together for the support. It's strong and easy to work with. I found that using different thicknesses - 2.5 and 2.0 mm - together, I get a floor height which is exactly in between the cavern and the regular floor heights.

Deciding on the fieldstone walls was easy, although they are not an exact match of the DF sections, they are close enough for me. The important thing is not stone size or shape, but rather the colour. If you can get the colour right you can probably mix a lot of different shapes and still create a sense of unity.

Lots of possibilities? You bet! :D
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#4530
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A nice detail about the plywood - I'm buying it from the model shop and it comes in lengths of 100x500 mm, which is enough for 5 sections. This is actually another reason why I decided to go for the 4x4 sections!
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#4531
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So Why Not Cast? (I am Sure that there is a Great Reason, I Just do not Know what it is)... And Could You Take a Pic of an Edge? Maybe a Cavern, a Fantasy, and One Of Yours Next to Eachother so that we Can see what the Sides (Edges), look like? Thanks...
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#4532
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Why not? I just might do that. The easiest thing i guess would be doing a straight floor without any walls, and then add walls to suit.

I'll take some more pictures tomorrow morning, when i can use natural light - right now it's midnight, so you'll have to wait a little while.
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#4533
Cavern inspirations 9 Years, 9 Months ago  
Willypold,

No Midnight Sun for you Folks Huh?...<Grin>... So It seems a Logical Step to Take if you were going to Make a "Bunch" of Floors, that making a Master Floor Cast would Save time that is... But Since I have never Done it I Have no Idea what is really Involved... But I Would Think that One or Two Floor Variants (Maybe Three, to Mix it up?), should do nicely, a Few Corner Variants, amd a Few Half Wall and Full Wall? AND You would be able to Cast Curved Walls Would'nt you? (Is there a Round Tower Mold?)
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#4534
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I have never done that kind of casting before, so I have only a theoretical knowledge. As I understand it I would make a basic floor, cover it with rubber mold and then use the resulting form to cast more floors in either plaster or resin or something, sort of like what the people of Mystic Blocks are doing. I don't know. Right now I'm quite satisfied by doing it this way, as it's working and producing nice results.

Right now I'm happy just making and painting the sections, trying different wall layouts.

On another note... The floor sections are eminently stackable! I'll show you some photos in a little while... :D
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