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#30110
Custom pieces based on DF stuff 5 Years, 11 Months ago  
Heya, new here
so I've started playing d&d for the first time ever with some friends and decided I could create my own dungeon pieces, loosely based off the DF stuff. The darker one is the master I carved out of plaster by hand and the white piece is one of the copies made from a Silicone mold I created. Ill try to get clearer pictures if theres interest. I also made a few other pieces, maybe ill post later.



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Crits on the design or look of the piece would be awsome. Thanks
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#30111
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not bad. Not bad at all.

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#30112
Custom pieces based on DF stuff 5 Years, 11 Months ago  
thanks, I've made a bunch,,
4 different 2x2 floor tiles in different styles
a 2x2 floor with an inside wall
a 2x2 tile with 2 outside walls, like the hallway
also some bigger pieces that are harder to explain.
the big corner hallway 4x4?
also i have some big roughed out casts of the T hallway 6x4, the + interesction hallway 6x6, and the turning 4x4 hallway.

I'll write up a better work-log with pictures later today. As far as cost, I bought the following things that helped with the process.
25lbs bag of plaster, $13 (used about half sofar) from home depot
8lbs Silicone RTV bucket, $121 (used 20 ounces sofar) from tapplastics
.8lbs Silicone Catalyst, $17 (used 1 ounce sofar) from tapplastics

i used these as tutorials.







I didn't have to buy because I already had:
Dremel cutting tools, Various files, chisels, ruler, pencils, pens, legos.

I spent about 2 hours total in carving that one corner piece, I used the silicone RTV to make the mold. The i used more plaster poured into the mold,, that part takes about 40 minutes per cast.
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#30113
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seems like a lot of work.

Why don't you just buy some Dwarven Forge stuff and spend the other time gaming??????????????
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#30114
Custom pieces based on DF stuff 5 Years, 11 Months ago  
Here are some work in progress shots. I still need to paint all these pieces which should add alot more to the look. Functionaly they are good to go.

You can see the lego's set up here to cast a blank block, 3 different sizes. also notice the blue silicone mold which is creating one of the finished wall pieces.

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Carefully pouring the plaster into the blank mold. you have to bang the table and shake the bubbles to the surface.


This is De-molding the wall piece. This wall piece was the first piece I made by hand out of a scrap piece of plaster block. I had to saw the block down to size and so the dimentions are close, but not quite exactly perfectly 2inchx2inch. I carved some pretty bad under cuts into the plaster, so not when I demold the wall piece I have to be super careful not to break the part. (i already broke 2 pieces ;/ )


Here you can see some larger hallway passages, the bigger the piece the longer it takes to carve.


I'm not even sure if I will end up creating silicone molds out of these larger ones, the mold will use alot more silicone and be pretty exspencive.


Here is my first ever small dungeon setup just to see how it will work. This is useing all the parts I've casted sofar and also the masters (the darker ones).


Action shot!


air elemental? ^^



I can't wait to play with these for our d&d gameday on friday. They have turned out fairly well, learned a whole lot about casting on this project. I can't wait to paint them up =)
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#30115
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reminds me of when I first started.....
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#30116
Custom pieces based on DF stuff 5 Years, 11 Months ago  
huhm with Plaster over Resin this might come in a bit cheaper, but in honesty when i looked into making my own stuff (and i still do it for things that just don't exist from DF or other companies) the Costs of the RTV, the Resin, paint and time in the end really made me realise DF is NOT over priced. RTV is expensive, Resin is Expensive, and Even Plaster while Cheaper isn't free, and it's eaily broken.

But having made many Hirst Arts items in plaster, and done a fair bit of Resin Casting as well i have to wonder how these will hold up in the long run being made out of plaster? You already mentioned breaking two in Demold.

Is the Blue RTV one of the ones by Silpak? if it is you can to save breaking by doing a two part mold very easy with it, even with the mold you have now. The thickness of your walls on the mold should work for it. It is a Heck of a lot easier to get walls, and corner stlye sections out with a two part mold. It should still work with a two part mold, but if this is the same Silplak RTV i use and like the Firmness really works well to keep the mold in good position.
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#30117
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I used the Silicone RTV from tapplastics, picked it up from one of the local stores. www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=61&

it is probably the same blue rtv stuff from Silpak. I agree, the mold walls are 3/8th inch and it holds up the mold quite well. some 2 piece molds used cardboard and rubber bands to keep the shape. I could try it on the next mold i make.

To be honest i would love to buy some DF stuff. I already had a bunch of plaster and experience carving small sculpture so i thought it would be awsome to carve up my own pieces. Then later once i had about 5 pieces ready for mold making i looked up all the info i could on methods and costs of mold making. Silicone seemed the best choice for my situation even though i didn't realize it would be costing so much. And then the same thing happened when i looked up Resin, pretty exspencive.

But like stefan wrote at length in a different thread about how so many things in life are subjective as far as peoples perception of time and cost over usefulness and bennifit. I carved these out of pure enjoyment in doing it myself. Fridays are the only day I can play d&d, but i can work on fun projects like this all week.

So a big thank you to Stefan for the inspiration.
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#30118
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Looks similar (but what i use looks a bit closer to the Green i don't have the exact specs for the one i use handy, and i can't remember out of the two i liked the looks of which one order, always have to go back to the shipping order to remember) but you can make a two part out of a 1 part mold pretty easy, and this version looks like it will do it. Just use a VERY sharp kife (i use a long Xcato) and cut the mold into two parts, (if you do it along say one of the walls) it makes demolding VERY easy. When you cast Just Rubber band it back together, If the harness is good enough it will support itself. And you can demold really easy, and cast it easy.

And i do under stand the desire to kind of do it your self, i started making an "alien" version bassed off of kind of the DF style, but never really went anywehre. I liked it for home. I had more fun making the "accessories" for it, and that is what i tend to do most of my Mold making for now. And having Tried the Behive, i will likely remake that next time i order some RTV...

Have a better way to do it, while the other one worked fine, this will be easier. to demold (i learned a lot since then).
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#30119
Custom pieces based on DF stuff 5 Years, 11 Months ago  
Awsome sugestion on the 2-piece mold. I will try it by cutting along the wall of the mold in the picture. I will cut it with the same type of long razor blade you mentioned. It should make demolding a snap.



Sofar I have about 20 floor tiles, 12 walls, and 12 corners. I'm going to pick up some spray paint this weekend sometime and start with a dark grey base, then get some acrylic paints and add some details. I'm also going to test out a clear coat of enamal on at least 1 piece and see if it looks ok.
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#30120
Custom pieces based on DF stuff 5 Years, 11 Months ago  
I like much closer to the actual line of the wall, but yeah that os pretty much how i did it.

The only real difference is i didn't put the "hole" to save on RTV. i actually had more than i knew what to do with at the time, so it sits as one sold chunck, i think it gives better surface area for the Rubber band to spread out over.

For me there is a slightly bit of work on scraping down/removing any very slight "mold" lines you might get, but the fact it takes seconds to demold and you have almost zero chance of breakage of the item, made it Really worth the now like 1 minute to remove the mold line on 4 walls. ( made 4 molds, 2 walls and 2 corners to speed up production, so in the end i had 3 and 3, the orginal mold which i then used a cast from and the orignal in a second mold with both so i could poor 3 at a time, REALLY increases production). It got to the point where i could turn out a DF sized set in an afternoon (but i'm using resin which had a total time of like 10 minutes, from mix, poor, and sitting and ready for painting. For me i just like the resin better, it's faster and sturdered. I have drooped some of my HA, DF, and home made Resin bits, HA goes poof, as it is made out of Plaster, DF tends not to break (thoguh i have broken about 4 or five over that many years, but it glues together easy, and only broke two resin.

Oh and if you have not cut it yet, if you don't do a straight line, but put in a few like lock and key features, it helps make the mold go back together and sit right much better. One of the reasons i liked having the big area under the floor it is very good for this.
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#30121
Custom pieces based on DF stuff 5 Years, 11 Months ago  
I've got to agree with GS about resin vs. plaster. I'm known as "the DF butcher" around here (how many guys do YOU know who CUT UP DF Pieces to make custom stuff?) - it's actually known now as 'kratzerizing' now.
Resin is SO MUCH more durable, that I've made a lot of stuff from it for gaming. I actually made a 10"x10" DF floor piece by lining up standard floor tiles, bowtie-ing them together with Kleen Klay between them to hold the spacing exactly right, then poured the silicone rubber around the piece in the plastic box. After the rubber cured, I peeled it out of the box, pulled the DF out, and made my floor section. My only error was trying to make it in a black resin, by using colorant on WHITE resin - it took forEVER to cure up, and the bottom, because I didn't quite have enough mixed up to fill the mold, is slightly concave and SHINY - as in mirror! But it looks good on top, especially since I got some Rust-Oleum FleckStone paint and hit it with that. Not quite DF, but not bad, either. None of my DF-copies look like DF colors, but this isn't bad. Only my Sci-Fi looks like DF, and that's because semi-gloss silver over flat black is a LOT easier for an old airplane painter than rock!
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