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#24232
Hirst Arts Cavern Accessories 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
WOW!!!!

Those look NOTHING like the ones i bought...i mean, they're the saem shape and all, but the coloring!!!! WOW!

Don't suppose you would be willing to take painting commissions if I buy a bunch of sets from that e-bay guy....or buy them direct from you???

Either way, I'd REALLY love some of these painted as you've shown - masterful job!
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#24233
Hirst Arts Cavern Accessories 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
Well done L...but then again what else is new eh?
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#24234
Hirst Arts Cavern Accessories 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
In the last set of photos the caves look almost like sandstone - very nice, and now I wish that the DF caves could have been done using that colour scheme as an alternate style...

This is another proof that DF and HA are complementing each other perfectly! Excellent work with both the colouring and the photography, by the way!
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#24235
Hirst Arts Cavern Accessories 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
L

Yes - the idea of Ice caves have crossed my mind. I think the issue is that you have to make a mold of the whole pieces as you will otherwise see the seems where you glue them together.
With plaster this doesn't matter - you paint it over. With the Fieldstone if was fine as well - you have rows of the stones anyhow. But I would expect it will look unnatural in a natural environment. In addition the resin tends to be less even. This means any seems are even worse.
Not sure it will be worth it - would be quite an investment in rubber. But who knows - I'm definately interested to get it done.

In regard to your colour scheme - I'm blown away by all the layers. I have to admit so far I only use a two layer colour scheme. I start with a very dark green - nearly black. I got the green in a one liter tub from a local paint shop. It turned out not to be dark enough - so I therefore have to add black into it to darken it which is mainly responsible for my pieces to vary.
On top of this I have a single wetbrushed coat. Well - actually I use a special brush - called a goat mob. Looks like a ruined brush with bristles in all directions - like an old brush used for dry brushing. But it actually is sold that way. It's not perfect - but it works alright and no complaints by anyone so far.

For the second coat I also went into the shop to get 1 liter mixed. Turned out not to be yellow enough - I therefore have added yellow to it until I got a match which looks as good as it gets - with only two layers. Actually the second coat is the fun bit. I have done a whole HA tower in just 20 minutes. The real time consuming step is the base coat - at least with fieldstones. Takes me ages to get the last crevice without any white shining through.

2Harneloot - drop me a message to exchange e-mail and if I manage to find some suitable tubs I could part with some of the colours I have mixed for $5 plus shipping. Some 50+ ml (whatever I fit in a small tub) of the base colour plus the second coat should get you quite a way. And you hardly use much for the second coat. And just do me a favour - buy the stuff from Castle Kit or some other recognized HA reseller. My colours are used on white plaster - so should be fine with Castle Kit. And that way Bruce gets at least some money back.

Go to the sewer system postings of mine to get an idea of the match - if it is good enough for your taste. And no - you don't need the goat mob. Any old brush will do - but the goat mob really makes the painting FAST.

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#24236
Hirst Arts Cavern Accessories 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
Hi Thod,

When you get your new moulds, I would be willing to trade some unpainted castings for DF stuff from my eBay store. Let me know if you're interested.
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#24237
Hirst Arts Cavern Accessories 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
Otherworld

Sounds like a great idea to me. Let me know if plaster (CrystaCal alpha K) is fine. I recenctly have moved to polyurethane resin and love the stuff. But I have approx. 20g left (for some tiny bits) and next time I get the stuff is probably 2 month off. It's only worthwhile if I take clear resin and rubber as well - and then we speak £100 easily just for raw material ...

With going on holiday in two weeks nothing I want to spend right now.

Have also a look at some other stuff I will be posting here later (hopefully) today.

Thod

PS: and two or three years to go and maybe my son will be old enough to cast on his own. He already made some bits and showed me daddy - can I sell them on E-Bay. Hmm - I don't think he is fully ready yet ...
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#24238
Hirst Arts Cavern Accessories 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
Thod - about the possibility of "ice caves."

Let's see... Obviously, it is a big project, and possibly quite expensive. No real way around that, at least as far as I can see...

But as for the rest, I could think of two possible solutions:

1. Visible seams, even imperfect seams, could be explained as cracks in the ice -- if you didn't repeat the exact same pattern of pieces, the cracks would not show at regular intervals, hence look more natural. It's not a perfect solution, but it might work.

2. Alternatively, you could decide that there is snow AND ice in the caverns, and deliberately paint over (or use that fake snow material) seams that particularly bother you. I'd imagine you could leave some of them alone. But you'd still get some stunning effects.

Just some ideas...

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#24239
Hirst Arts Cavern Accessories 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
Oh, and Harneloot (and anyone else who might care) -- I may sell some of these eventually on eBay. I probably won't sell THIS batch, but I would make another. I might sell some unpainted (but assembled) ones for like $5 or so, and some painted ones for closer to $10 or $12. It's a decent amount of work that goes into making them finished, so while I wouldn't want to take advantage of anyone, I WOULD need motivation to get rid of something I really like (and money always helps). For the unpainted versions, it's easy enough to crank 'em out, so I wouldn't ask for much money.

And I WOULD give credit to Bruce, as I've always done when I sell these things. I really can't get over this guy. He even talks about the stuff on his website as "one of a kind" products -- really going overboard there. Ugh.

Anyoo, glad people like 'em. When I first saw these on the HA site, I thought "for people wanting DF accessories, these are the most perfect molds HA has ever released!"

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#24240
Hirst Arts Cavern Accessories 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
L

I absolutely agree - there are ways around the problems of the seems. I just wanted to point these out and I have figured out by now that sometimes saving at the wrong place hurts you quite a lot. I reckon what you want is:

a) A mold of 4*4 inch using HA dungeon floor molds. Cast the stones in plaster, glue them on some 4-5mm thick board and make a mold out of it. You want to ensure the height is compatible.

b) Molds of each rock formation assembled or maybe molds with 2-3 of these at a time.

Question - why isn't Bruce doing these big molds but instead does flat ones ?? Well - you need a lot more material. If you look at the HA molds then you notice they are very cleverly arranged. They use all the space and every bit of volume used is less rubber. For the assembled molds this will mean - a lot of 'wasted' rubber.

Next question is material. I still use polyester resin for ice. Clear polyurethane is a lot more expensive. The disadvantage is the long cure and the demold. Casting actually is the fun part. Again - you save a lot of gluing etc. and the demold becomes so much less of an issue. Polyesterresin has his draw backs - but if you can afford to cast it - and leave it 2-3 days (and best not indoors because of the smell) most of this is fine.

Yes - I guess I will do an Ice Cave sooner rather than later. And I probably will sell one as well. But I will never make money with them. So far I scamble to break even. Yes - I have a profit on the pieces I sell. But I also keep some myself and of course you first invest a lot before the first ever piece has been cast. And if I would go to make profit by casting lots of them I would sooner or later come into conflict with Bruce.

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#24241
Hirst Arts Cavern Accessories 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
L - thats great news!

Put me down for 3 sets at whatever you are charging $10, $12, heck I'd even go $15 no problem!

That second set of pcitures you posted really looks awesome!!

Thod - thanks VERY much for the offer, but I am truly non-artistic...I'd just end up getting fustrated and jealous of the better results posted here!
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#24242
Hirst Arts Cavern Accessories 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
L,

Your work here is quite spectacular -- no matter what light is being used! Using both day and night lighting, looks to be a pretty good test of how good your color-blending turned out...and in this case, it looks to be expertly done!

...in a single word -- WOW!
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#24243
Hirst Arts Cavern Accessories 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
L

As you have started it - here are my first pictures. Molds arrived on Friday - I picked them up early yesterday - doing some casts before breakfast. Later on most of the day was taken up by my daughters birthday party - but I managed to get some undercoat on late in the day and drybrushed them today.

So here are my verdicts:

From the look of it I actually like the mold with the pillar most. This came as quite a suprise to me as I was luke warm about it. I see it as quite nice for some Mordheim ruin / external rock formations. And I really like the arc that is included. But having said this - it is probably (apart of the arc) the least useful to be used with DF. It is difficult to arrange the rocks in a way that the columns make sense. But sparingly used they can be key elements.

Same goes to the mold with the tree stumps. Good background for a campsite or if you want to build up the entrance of a cave but less useful inside.

L already did mention how well they fit on a grid - and I can only say - indeed - they fit pretty perfect. In the picture I use some HA floor plates. I created them as a first step for an ice cavern. No way I will cast the floor mold 50 times in polyster resin ... Also if I raise the floor plate by gluing it on some 5mm polystyrene I can ensure that the floors are the same height as DF cavern floors (which are thicker as dungeon floors).

Next steps will be - more castings - as I still have only a single one of each. And half arches just don't look that great ;-) And then there is the planning stage for the Ice Cavern - how many walls, croners etc of which kind do I need and is practically doable for me.

Well - this will have to wait for a while - I'm on holiday in a weeks time and leave my HA at home - as I take some paints and figures with me instead to enjoy some quite evenings on a farm in Germany. 2 years ago I managed to get half my Grendel assosories painted.

As we stay another week with friends (a wedding the weekend after and no way I will drive their twice) I won't be back in production before middle / end of June. But I will surely update here once I have some photos to show.

Thod




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