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#8422
Time For Dwarven Forge to Ask YOU! 9 Years ago  
Well then yes...Ummm. Any one else have some sugestions about what the next DOE set should be???? Hummmm? :rolleyes:
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#8423
Time For Dwarven Forge to Ask YOU! 9 Years ago  
Well then yes...Ummm. Any one else have some sugestions about what the next DOE set should be???? Hummmm? :rolleyes:

Heh, I'm afraid I tried that already....

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#8424
Time For Dwarven Forge to Ask YOU! 9 Years ago  
How about evil sewers? Gothic flooded passageways and room pieces that bring to mind the sewers of Phantom of the Opera, only more twisted and otherworldly!

Broken floors would also be most welcome. Something where an elder god busted up through the tiles to snag some unwary adventurer. Come to that, floor tiles with tentacles wriggling up from gratings and gaps in the floor would be cool, too.
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#8425
Time For Dwarven Forge to Ask YOU! 9 Years ago  
I believe the next DOE set is a WA one as per the last DF newsletter.
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#8426
Time For Dwarven Forge to Ask YOU! 9 Years ago  
I am a really good friend with one shop owner here in Portland, OR (I've been gaming with him since '93).... am a regular customer of another game shop.... and have spoken to many other proprietors of 3 other shops in the Portland/Metro area and none of them have any negative feelings about DF. They are sad that it is not available for them wholesale anymore... but they are not angry with DF at all.

Maybe that's just how it is here?
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#8427
Time For Dwarven Forge to Ask YOU! 9 Years ago  
Recent changes in our distribution have been made for many reasons. All were to ensure that we can survive in the changing hobby gaming market.

I, for one, love the direct-to-consumer approach we now have. It has allowed us to keep our prices down (even though petroleum has doubled), and I cannot imagine the grief we would get here if we would have been forced to raise prices by 40-50% if we stayed with the 3-tier model.

Also, it makes us responsible to the end users now -- not distributors. Honestly, it is a lot more fun working with you guys! I love the passion and the creativity of our customers.

As far as betraying retailers...well...I can only say that the decline in channel member support was a major factor in the change. The shift in attitude that many of them now have of carrying only "what's new" really hurt our sales. I cannot tell you how many retailers I talked to that completely sold out their first allotment of our Sci-Fi line...yet they never re-ordered any sets. They only wanted completely new sets...they only want to order what came out this week.

The year 2006 should be a banner year for all those that love DF stuff. We plan on releasing 3-4 major sets, and we hope to restock some of the old favorites. The great support that we have received with pre-orders of the Den of Evil (Room and Passage) Set has allowed that to happen. Thank you to everyone that has pre-ordered a set. We are working hard to transform DF into a more responsive company that listens and adapts to feedback from its core collectors.

We all should have a lot of fun in 2006!
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#8428
Time For Dwarven Forge to Ask YOU! 9 Years ago  
Thanks for the info, Jeff!

Personally, I can only speak for my experience in the Boston area, but I have found that:

1. No gaming shop wants to dedicate shelf space to DF -- and certainly not enough to sell a LOT of DF. A set or two, maybe. But no more.

2. No gaming shop wants to dedicate shelf space to old DF -- like you said, Jeff, there's an interest in what is new, but no interest at ALL in being a warehouse to store archives of the stuff. Special orders are always welcome, but that is not the same thing.

3. There has been no anger towards DF by any owner, manager, employee, or customer of any of the four or five gaming stores in the Boston area.

4. In general, the attitude towards DF is that not enough people buy it, it's too expensive for casual, off-the-street customers, and it takes up too much room in a space that could be used for smaller things that have quicker turnaround.

There is an argument to be made that if more stores stocked DF, if it had a higher profile, it would do better and overcome some hurdles. But nothing is written in stone, this is not an exact science, and if DF is making a profit margin that makes you happy by selling direct, more power to you!

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#8429
Time For Dwarven Forge to Ask YOU! 9 Years ago  
First i have to say i love to hear from the Admin/Jeff. There are a few other boards i visit often and i have been spoiled rotten by those sites. The owners are around a lot, i know it is not the general case for this type of stuff but seeing the people in charge every now and then really gives the feeling that we are being heard and it lets us as a consumer of the products know what is up.

For me it really helps to put a "face" on the smaller business and to me it shows you they aren't a huge corporation that just doesn't care, but instead are people dedicated to their products.

So thanks for posting recently.

But on to other matters.

I have to mirror L with both my years in New Hampshire and in Ct, two states that border Mass, and even a few areas in Mass out side of Boston (I live on the Mass/Ct border almost litterly, i can walk to Mass from where i live in a few minutes.)

From talking to owners/managers (3 i have gamed with) of 5 different stores in CT, and 2 in NH, all of the things L mentions hold true.

None of the stores i know want to dedicate Large amounts of shelf space to DF, not old or new, when it sells it is gone and not replaced. The Sci-Fi sets i got were almost all special ordered, and i haven't seen them restocked. They just take up too much space, there was only one store that kept a decent supply of the stuff, but sadly that owner died of a heart attack about a year ago (it was the first place i ever bought DF from, and he actually kept a lot of the litte bits in stock now that i think about it, becuase they took up so little space), so the only 2 stores in the area that have anything now, just have a presence of it in the store, to them they feel they are items taking up space, in one it is sitting around on the floor, yes on the floor in the off to the side over by the GW terrain, it is so big and bulky they don't want to take up the shelf space with it.
It is where i first bought my Caverns from, and i asked about the Sci-Fi terrain at the time, and they had never heard of it. All of the Owners think the stuff is great they love the look and the quality, but know it is kind of a shelf hog... It is just such a big purchase for both the gamer and the store that it is hard to manage stock wise. They aren't angry at DF, they are happy to sell it, but don't blame DF for anything.

There was one store that used to carry DF in New Hampshire, and while i haven't been there as often as i have to the Ct stores since i moved, i haven't seen it in stock any of the times i have been up, and this was after i started buying i went looking in those stores that used to carry it. I went in to buy it, and they didn't have it.

A casual viewing of other stores in the area i'm in now, with out talking to the owners also shows it's not carried, in places in like Holyoke, Springfield, and Milford Mass as well as places like Stamford, Hartford and Putnam Ct, and even in NYC that i don't go to regularly but do hit aout 4 times a year, DF is just not carried, or where it was carried, they didn't restock.


I did ask a number of those places about DF when i started buying, becuase all i saw was the Fantasy and all i was interested in was the Sci-Fi and they just didn't want to put the shelf space into it, all of them said they loved the stuff but it was too hard to stock, they weren't "mad" at DF, but really needed to have product that moved. And that seems to be what Jeff has been saying.

Maybe it's just a North East thing, but none of the stores i have been too (and trust me when i first moved to Ct i went to A LOT of stores trying to find ones l liked, had the products i liked and and could go to on a regular basis, and even ones that i wouldn't mind a road trip for), and that travel has made it so i know where a lot of stores are and since i started buying DF and wanting more i have been back to all of them, and I asked about DF when i went in, and none were mad at the DF, they just understood for them it could be a risk to tie up shelf space, and needed to have rotating product to make money.

It is the same argument of why they went with the product neutral boxs for Star Wars and D&D minis, you have a product that is neutral, it is not a figure you know you want nor one you know you don't want as a customer. becuase you don't know what it is, it is neutral. And that hs a real draw to a lot of business owners it is something that when you order a case of them, you won't have half left on the shelf becuase no one wants another Jar-Jar Binks, the customer doesn't know what they are buying so they can't leave stock they don't want in the store, for the store owners to deal with.
For SW and D&D minis it helps the sales of those things and was a big selling point according to WotC. There aren't pegs and pegs of some mini that non one wants sitting there taking up invnetory space (how often do you see peg after peg of GW, Reaper etc just sitting there becuae it's not what you want at the time, or other products just holding space on the shelf), it stops shelf and peg warmers from cropping up. I can totally see that DF could have been a problem from the store end with those type of things happening. Yes many stores will and do like to have a bit of a back stock of items to sell but they don't want all of their stuff sitting there just not selling....

Holy crap i rambled
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#8430
Time For Dwarven Forge to Ask YOU! 9 Years ago  
Heres my 2 cents.

Here in Oz DF is hard to find and when you find it it is the old story of piece meal inventory largely colecting dust. The recent online sales upset stockist some of who have cleared out their inventory at cost.

I can certainly see advantages in the direct sales approach but as discovered with the DOE, international couriers are very expensive. I know I have had DF products sent from Canada at much lower rates as long as I was happy to wait for surface mail. Generally we are waiting so long for new products an extra month for surface is not IMO a big issue.

To be successful in direct sales DF needs to address the international shipping aspect (possibly using some regional agents) and needs to ensure that it has product available. This means a need to invest in inventory.

DF also need to regularly advertise or increase their profile amongst gamers. Hobby sites like TMP are good places to get a big audience. In the absense of new releases this can be done by posting pictures of cool set ups, cross advertising with miniature companies releasing new models (a very regular occurance) or promotional offers.

Good luck and looking forward to the new sets.


Cheers
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#8431
Time For Dwarven Forge to Ask YOU! 9 Years ago  
Thank you Jeff for your response on this issue.
It clears up some issues and lets all of us move on otherwise.
Here's hoping that this move will be successful for DF.
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#8432
Time For Dwarven Forge to Ask YOU! 9 Years ago  
To be perfectly honest, the exact composition of the Sci-Fi Beta set is still somewhat liquid. We want to see what all the pieces look like once they are sculpted and painted -- and then we will make the final decision.

IMPORTANT NOTE: We DO read your input, and it does effect the set compensation. The 6" Long Wall looks to be very popular.
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#8433
Time For Dwarven Forge to Ask YOU! 9 Years ago  
That's great to hear! I have to say, 6" long walls would be GREAT!

Beta set without them: I'll buy one, maybe eventually two.

Beta set with them: I'll buy two immediately, and probably go back for more -- along with more of the Alpha set.

It would not only make Beta better, it would improve Alpha, since the only thing holding me back from getting more of that set is the fact that, without more walls, I simply wouldn't be able to do much with more and more big floor pieces....

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